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#894928 - 05/12/14 10:31 PM Re: Global Warming [Re: Jerry Garcia]
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#894953 - 05/13/14 02:07 AM Re: Global Warming [Re: ]
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Ah Nick, you have been sucked into BU's charming ways....

Trans fats are bad, no wait, maybe they aren't as bad as we thought. Science is always changing. But just to be on the safe side, we should blow up the economy and all build wind turbines in our yards.

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#894954 - 05/13/14 02:10 AM Re: Global Warming [Re: DBAppraiser]
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#894955 - 05/13/14 02:14 AM Re: Global Warming [Re: Evo]
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oh this one is really good...




Edited by Evo (05/13/14 02:18 AM)

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#894959 - 05/13/14 07:25 AM Re: Global Warming [Re: DBAppraiser]
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Originally Posted By: DBAppraiser
Ah Nick, you have been sucked into BU's charming ways....


He is pretty charming for an ol' goat that works too much. grin
It's all good though...

Nice graphs Nate. It's interesting how fuzzy (random) the data gets near the end of the last graph. One thing I've heard that could cause that is Volcanic activity. Some are saying that the short, current cooling trend over the past few years is a result of upper atmosphere dust from recent eruptions. I don't know if that's true to not, but it seems plausible. Another one is Sun activity. Heavy solar blasts create a lot of radiation, so that makes sense too.

I don't know what to think (this is common for me), which is why I'm on the fence as to the cause.
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#894977 - 05/13/14 01:40 PM Re: Global Warming [Re: NickD90]
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Lord guys just Google something like global temperature during the Roman Empire a wealth of historical data rolls out. In fact the thing I find most amazing as recent as that is ( in earth history not human ) several Roman seaports are now miles from the sea.

For reading on the Atlantic Escalator:

http://www.geol.umd.edu/~jmerck/geol100/lectures/33.html

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Warning!: Climate records preserved in the Greenland ice sheet indicate that this has happened very quickly in the past (time scale of ten years.) You may actually live to see it. It will NOT be anything as rapid or extreme as in "The Day After Tomorrow." THAT was a Hollywood fantasy.




Edited by Rivrguy (05/13/14 01:41 PM)
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#894988 - 05/13/14 02:53 PM Re: Global Warming [Re: ]
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I blame global warming on those Italian nuns that performed an exorcism on an Italian glacier that was threatening a small mountain village. That was in the late 1700's and ended the little ice age and started global warming.
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#894991 - 05/13/14 03:15 PM Re: Global Warming [Re: BroodBuster]
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I blame the phuggin Interwebz fer turnin all you yella-bellies into phuggin geniuses rofl

Is it possible in this day and age to not be an expert on every topic?
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#894992 - 05/13/14 03:20 PM Re: Global Warming [Re: NOFISH]
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Well yes NOFISH, you be an example of that.
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#894999 - 05/13/14 05:09 PM Re: Global Warming [Re: Jerry Garcia]
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This guy sums it up better than I could.

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#895001 - 05/13/14 05:28 PM Re: Global Warming [Re: Dave Vedder]
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ORDINARY
There are regular things, which we all pretty much understand completely. 2 + 2 = 4.

SPECIALIZED
There are complicated things, which a small % of the population truly understand, but we all believe: DNA fingerprints/sequencing is admissible for evidence

COMPLEX
Then there are things that are so complex that even the most elite folks in the field have lots of specific knowledge, but the complexities of the systems elude complete closed-form-solutions: How does the brain work? How does the climate work, and what if any changes might have ill effects? How does the economy work and what changes create jobs??

COMPLEX stuff is what we're talking about here, and as a result if your standard for decision making is perfect knowledge, then you never take any action on a brain tumor, or to fix the economy, or to fix the climate. Because NOTHING in this space is -- likely in our lifetime -- to be known in the closed-form way you hope.

If your standard is that "the jury is still out" and that it's a "supreme display of hubris" to take action based on the recommendations from the overwhelming majority of the best educated people on the subject???? Then I sure hope you never get a brain tumor, because you'll never decide to take any action about it -- because the science (and treatments) are unsettled.

Next time we have an economic upturn or downturn, I hope you don't post that you know why it happened, or what we should do to promote jobs growth, because the jury is out on that, you supremely hubristic blowhards.

In these situations, I choose to listen to the best doctors, scientists, and economists, and contribute my energy to the solutions that I think are viable... Be it surgery, pollution control, or tax policy.
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#895008 - 05/13/14 05:52 PM Re: Global Warming [Re: IrishRogue]
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Nick, what i find interesting about that last graph, is that it is holding somewhat steady.. if you look at the past history, there were giant up and downswings, never, through the last 600 million years, has there been a situation like on that graph... yes, it goes up and down, but the line is fairly flat for the duration of the time, vs the past history...

maybe that is what is screwing things up? maybe earth isnt going through its natural cycle like it has been the last 600 million years, as if something has been restricting it for the last 10? maybe that is increasing volcanic activity, and earthquakes, and screwy weather with massive storms?

maybe its something we are doing to keep the earth from its wild swings like it was used to? because for the last 10k years, which humans have obviously been around, its doing something that it has never (record wise) done before...

or maybe, it is what its designed to do, because we really know jack sh!t about planets, look at how much we know about our own earth...

Global Warming is nonsense, but that is just my opinion...

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#895011 - 05/13/14 06:05 PM Re: Global Warming [Re: IrishRogue]
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It’s ok to question Irish - particularly when Scientists or Politicians claim to be stating fact (regardless of the topic). It's ok to take mindful care when reviewing evidence before drawing conclusions. I think you understand the ramifications of not doing so.

That's why one seeks a second option in the case of a brain tumor. It's not denying that the tumor is real. Its doing due diligence to get a variety of opinions before drawing any premature conclusions as the best course of action to take. It's not hubris, its being mindfully intelligent.
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#895012 - 05/13/14 06:10 PM Re: Global Warming [Re: NickD90]
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Right!

A second opinion is awesome.

So if you got 1000 "second opinions" and 990 of them (which is probably conservative) said it was a tumor, and you needed to have it removed, what would you do?
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#895015 - 05/13/14 06:19 PM Re: Global Warming [Re: IrishRogue]
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IR your are wasting your breath, but of course you knew that I'm sure.

Some of these guys would ignore the 999 cancer specialist and go see the one quack that their particular political party seems to embrace at the moment.

You can take comfort knowing that thorse on the other side include Hank and Nate no matter what name he goes by today. That in itself almost assures that you are right.


Edited by Dave Vedder (05/13/14 06:24 PM)
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#895018 - 05/13/14 06:53 PM Re: Global Warming [Re: Dave Vedder]
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Well it looks like the rubber will meet the road in the next year. Supposedly our govenor is going to propose a carbon tax on emissions that will raise the price of gas .95 to $1.17 a gallon. He wants to be the greenest state in the union. But I am sure all the believers all ready have moved to Seattle proper and use only mass transit to go fish wink Just backing up all the evidence with doing their part as good little citizens should.
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#895021 - 05/13/14 07:12 PM Re: Global Warming [Re: IrishRogue]
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Originally Posted By: IrishRogue
Right!

A second opinion is awesome.

So if you got 1000 "second opinions" and 990 of them (which is probably conservative) said it was a tumor, and you needed to have it removed, what would you do?



Fair enough Irish and good point. In that case, if the evidence is quantifiable and irrefutable, then I would listen. I don't think we are there yet with man-made Global ______. I agree that something is going on, but not necessarily that it’s our fault (or within the realm that we can control through legislation).
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#895025 - 05/13/14 07:28 PM Re: Global Warming [Re: IrishRogue]
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Originally Posted By: IrishRogue
If your standard is that "the jury is still out" and that it's a "supreme display of hubris" to take action based on the recommendations from the overwhelming majority of the best educated people on the subject????

Well now, just how did you derive that thought from this,

Originally Posted By: Rev. blackmouth

The jury is still out on the magnitude of the issue. We have been wrong so many times, on so many issues. It would be a supreme display of hubris to believe that we are now to be certain on this issue.


As far as treating a brain tumor, my oncologist suggests that I should always accept new science, and hope.

However Baracks, Death panel is about to curtail my Health Care. Evidently I am older than KK.
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#895026 - 05/13/14 07:30 PM Re: Global Warming [Re: Dave Vedder]
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Originally Posted By: Dave Vedder
IR your are wasting your breath, but of course you knew that I'm sure.

Some of these guys would ignore the 999 cancer specialist and go see the one quack that their particular political party seems to embrace at the moment.

You can take comfort knowing that thorse on the other side include Hank and Nate no matter what name he goes by today. That in itself almost assures that you are right.


come on Dave, first and foremost, im not part of any political party, screw Obama, screw Romney, screw Hillary, Palin, Biden, McCain, screw ALL OF THEM..

the fact is, is that throughout recorded history, there have been multiple periods of glacial melting, and re glaciating, not just once, not just twice, but hundreds of times...

hey, heres an idea, has anyone checked the temperature of the moon the last say, 500 years? has it increased and or decreased? because, the Sun is a gas giant, and weird things happen with them, like massive heat waves and gamma bursts that could raise the temperature of planets near it...

i am a member on a page about Astronomy, and the last solar flares that have been happening, are quite interesting, they have upclose shots of the sun showing the flame plume that spreads out... that intense heat, has to hit somewhere, which it does, and we have proof from in Solar Storms that knock out power grids due to radiation exposure and whatnot...

i choose to look at all aspects of problems, not just 1 side like alot of people choose to do... historical facts, are historical facts and scientific data, you can either accept them, or ignore them, but the fact still remains, that its been going on for millions, even BILLIONS of years...

when the earth first formed, over 4 billion years ago, there were large pools of lava from meteors and asteroids slamming into the earth at extreme velocities, so what happened? why is there ice now? should we restore the planet to what it was when it started?

its in my opinion, the cycle of the earth, we just happen to be on it for the ride...

as far as the political aspect of that, the US Government cant even find a god damn airplane, bigfoot, or Elvis's ghost, so im not listening to a damn thing they have to say... its not like they do anything right in the first place...

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#895034 - 05/13/14 08:10 PM Re: Global Warming [Re: ]
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you better watch it spreading rumors about me John, bring over your little hippy piss test kit and ill gladly pee on you for you...

and i actually read quite well if you havent noticed...

and how do you know what education i have? because GUY told you? yeah, hes someone i would trust rofl

that right there is exactly what people do when they are confronted with things they cant explain, they resort to "fvck you, you are an idiot, blah blah blah"... they do it with religion, they do it with climate, they do it with politics...

glad you have found your niche in society bro...

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