Anybody been to these yet? Any Kings?

Thanks

turds and gillnets

Todd loves the SKOK!

YGTBFKM ...right?

What kinda question is that?

Beat me to it bantam

Drove over the Skok yesterday on the way to Port Townsend. Saw four guys "delicately" angling in a spot below the bridge. Even saw a healthy "rip" in the two seconds I was watching. Fall has arrived on the Skok!

Fished off Purdy cutoff for awhile floating eggs.. Natives had there nets up across the entire mouth all day which didnt allow any more fish to move up. Fishing was slow, the flossers were heavy and the fish were turning dark.. saw several on the shore with bumps and bruises from being pelted with lead..

There were chinook in the Skok last week, so there should be some now. I think I saw Todd's van with a stepladder strapped to the roof headed there, so the season must be on!

There's a crap load of fish..... Head down and let me have it!

I know a guy who camped down there thursday night. He was woken up at 11:00pm by the natives. They were "dredge" netting right before they had to take out at midnight. Someone said they did that to every hole. I hooked two on prawns (I Guess it works). I was one of the lucky ones. Had to walk up above the big log jam above purdy to find any fish holding. He asked one of the natives why they did it. Straight up said "to screw the white man, stay off our Fing river honky". Greedy basturds. Its always entertaining to watch people down there. Watched a guy fall into about a 10ft deep pool off a log. It was only funny because he wasn't wearing waders.

I talked to a couple game wardens that checked me to make sure I was legal, actually pretty good guys. They said that they didn't write a ticket all day...Not even the undercover guys. I guess its a picture of ethics now. lol

I like fishing the ol skok, it has fish and is reasonably close. Even if it is a toothless snag fest half the time.

In my opinion they way the natives "fish" is unethical. They destroy the chances of big fish making it to the hatchery and ruining the future fisheries. They should grab a rod and reel like everyone else. Idc who they think they are.

Cj..you are so wrong on so many levels..try pickin up some books and doing some reading..look up unethical while your at it

Just my opinion and I base those off of what I have seen and experienced since I have been here.. not trying to offend and I apologize if I did. But since I have been here (year and a half now) I havent seen or heard any good thing s about the way the Natives do busniess

cj it's their business (injuns) . injuns don't fish as whether how they take their fish is ethical. to them the goal was just get the fish on the shore. very few injuns see their activity as sport. Do some research on how they fished before the whiteman came along and stole everything from them. their tactics were very primitive.

Ya just take the opinions of a bunch of slack jawed yocals (sorry guys) RATHER than reading regulations, books, research, published articles and other info on the issues...or talkin to someone that actually works in the field and has a clue of what they are talkin about..your just making assumptions with your...vast amount of experience...on the river here and trying to pass them off with some sort of scientific merit...you didn't offend you just made me shake my head and sigh cause it goes to show how people..especially young people gather their "expertise" nowadays

Not to mentions that we NEED them to pick off as many of these hatchery kings comin in early in the season...the hatchery won't take eggs till mid September ( so they don't propagate early fish pushing the run even earlier) so all those fish will just be surpluses to the food bank...OR...will.miss the hatchery and will push upstream to further fack with the genetics of our listed wild kings in the river ( which is why we have barbless regs there)

All this info is right there to be found, do it and you'll thank yourself in the long run, trust me

Sometimes it's better after closing the bar down to just go wait for daylight on the river and throw your last 10-20 measly pieces of bait. Saw about 11 over 15lbs this morning that made it past some of past some of the killing fields for the 7 of us....


Cheesin Hard!

Oh great! Now the skok will be packed with people. Way to blow up my secret fishing hole jerk

Yea may bad guys I fudged up.. ran my mouth and look what that got me! On a side note tho I did go 0 for 5 today. Fishing walmart eggs haha. My gear was too light and those fish destroyed me. I thought fishing lighter would be good but they straight owned me today. Guess thats karma time to shake it off and go again!

Kiss my baitbox bum
Curtis was giggling when I sent ya that pic, we were thinking you'd be pretty pissed

It's okay cj, good job at least hookin up! Light can be okay and sometime needed depending where you are and what time of day it is. I was in my own water from 0 dark 30...running my 10'6" 8-17 with 8 lb leader.

It'll take time to learn all the broken cogs in the Washington fishing machine, and it'll take us till we are old to see results (if we start work now)..best you can do is read and try to understand as much as you can with scientific data and work from truely accurate sources...and then try to pass it on to as many receptive people as you can to change their outlook too

Walmart eggs?


Oh that is going to be an instant classic!

Yea yea yea rub it in. I should have gone. I had the truck loaded up ready to rock and roll when I was talking to you this morning. But I went hunting instead and scoped out the steelhead on a certain river might be taking my rod with me next hunting trip.

Good job CJ and On the Swing at least you guys got some action on eggs, all I got was a swing and a miss on my eggs Friday morning and nothing after that, where you guys fishing, above or below 106? I'll be out there Wednesday and Thursday to test my luck again

There is a lot of woody debris and slots along the bank in the stretch between where purdy dumps in to the main channel and fish house corner and in between fish house and the Dyke at upper hunter..tree on left bank ..don't know why more ppl don't put in time there, but it helps the egg bite for some

I don't know why more people don't fish eggs in the entire river! It's epic in every hole if you have a little room to fish eggs.

Yeah on the swing thats where I usually fish is the dyke but my hole just wasn't producing like usual

Above 106 below 106 everywhere.. had to move.. the bite on eggs is early and once the flossers show eggs are useless.. my buddies and I (6 of us) walked over to a hole wiyh 4 or 5 drifters and pushed them out of the hole. It helped but in the end nothing to show for it.. this time!

There ya go cj! That's the trick , just get some buddies and push the fackers outta there...

Had one dude on friday friday get a nice hen below us but when he heard/saw what we had outta our hole, well he brought 4 of his closest buddies in there at o dark 30 on saturday....they fish bobbers for about 30.mintues then came the long leaders and rip rip rip...us 4 at the next hole saw this and 3 of us peeled off, headed down there and stood in between them and the hole and started fishing. This obviously pissed them off and after words were said we just stated that they weren't "fishing" anymore, so we figured they were done
They got pissed at this, more words said and we suggested that they leave before we had to escort them to their cars, they packed up and slicked away with us laughing and Makin fun of them the whole way outta earshot. .poor guy went over and whined about it on gay fishin

Lol yea there is are some great bobber holes right off Purdy but the flossers are heavy there as well.. I got to the hole around 4am and about an hour before daylight you could here the familiar snap of heavy mono every few minutes.. one of these days when the season is not in I'm gonna throw on my wetsuit and goggles and go cut out line and gear from those holes.. benefit everyone in the end, plus I bet I get a payday in gear!!

Anybody fishing the Nasty?

That "not so fresh" feeling?

Couldn't keep from laughing out loud on that one!!

It's not that bad. I've never seen crap floating in the water...and I have fished it more than a few times over the years. Is it dirty? Full of Trash? Yes. However, is there loads of turds floating down the river...no.

The Gull thing....is 100% BS! The tribe produces more gut piles and fish waste than the sport guys; if the gulls are crapping in the river in larger quantities, then it is the gill netters fault. Plus...what about when the fish die after spawning? The gulls eat those and chit all over the place...give me a break!

Everyone in that video had a complete bias with the Tribal Gill netting Business.

Im not defending what happens on that river....EVER! But the tribe takes no responsibility for this rivers downfall. The Dams are bad, but gill nets get them before they can even get to the dams. Logging killed the gravel on the Skok, but when the fish can't get to gravel...they never stand a chance. The State rolled over and let them net the mouth this year...how is that for a fair shake at fish for us whities? Fish that WE pay for!

I was there opening day for sport fishing...and you can't tell me the whisky bottles and natural ice cans where all from people there fishing? Unless guys start early this year? just food for thought next time anyone gives some crap about native rights and them wanting shut down any river because of trash.

@37 seconds the 2 guys in the boat. looks like todd and ryley.

So are the Natives still taking thier nets down for the weekends? or are they allowed to leave them up full time now?

My favorite annual thread

Hunting season just around the corner!

Yay

Oh for F%ck's sake.

Good for you on getting snaggers off the water, but just a friendly reminder that not everybody will turn tail and walk off, you might find yourself in a dogfight, and your buddies not being as tuff as you've remembered Best to keep your distance and respect everybody, even if they are scumbag rippers.

No matter what ya do they will be there.. its apart of the river.. sad but true.. I hear eggs are working great now if only everyone used it exclusively the fish would be slamming them!! And the fish would be biting instead of being force fed..

Totally hear ya bent metal. Don't always need friends to back a person up though. I just talk sh!t, I make no excuses for it..its just what I do, usually with a friendly smile but because well I hate seeing the sport be bastardized as such. Im not a dick to everyone, just the ones that are really fuckin with me, or should know better..like the yahoo's that go on to talk about how great of fisherman they are and all the OP rivers for steelies and the such, and the 400+ dollar waders and fancy gear...I'm just like "come the fack on dude!!".
I usually try to actually explain how the technique hurts us REC fishermen and how they are directly taking fish out of OUR quota, but ya gotta find a receptive person to the idea. I realize I'm not gonna change everyone, tho maybe If I can pick the right battle and can get thru to if only one person...and/or just keep them outta our reach of water I will be content

my favorite line from the snaggers, when asked if i can have those eggs that are obviously gonna get wasted: "no way dude, i need those for STEELHEAD!"

Went yesterday (Sat) and lots of nice fish in there. Didn't mean to start a political/moral debate on fishing ethics--just wanted to know if the Kings were in yet. Thanx to all anyways.

Potaire

I fish the Hoh....

But I snag at the Skok

If you are just looking for Skok info, your time would be better spent on gamefishin.com

Your right he should go over to GF at least there they dont judge you just because you ask about a certain river . Dont get me wrong i think this site is awesome ,I've learned a lot here about the history and new techs to try and so on . But i have also seen a hell of a lot more elitists here not all but a few . And i'm of the mind set it doesn't matter how you fish .Be it fly fishing ,bait guy. drift guy [ even flossin as long as your not rippin 5-6 times a drift .And yes i do call them out on it when i see it . ]hardware guy it just doesn't matter all that does matter is we are all FISH . And i believe if we all don't get our crap together and start working together then NON OF US WILL BE FISHIN SOON . [ off my soap box now ]

Corny

Well, we know what the Skok and Nasty are all about. It's not the river, it's the crowd that fishes there.

I fish the Skok - but I normally wait until the flows come up, because then the fuckin' snaggers don't ruin the holes becaue they can't get to them.

These are not people I want to hang with, and I certainly won't work with them. If you don't judge doorknob snagging fucktards that ruin the whole river, then that's a poor reflection on you. It doesn't make you an "elitist" if you look down your nose at f'n snaggers, either. It makes you an angler/piscator/fisherman.

f4b, LOL @ the "news" report.

I believe Tacoma still trucks tons of sewage sludge to be spread to grow fiber. IMHO Tree "farms" are guilty of plugging the lower Canal with the "nutrients." The salmon react by moving in river rather than hang out in the low O2 estuary.

AMEN DANS!!

and I'd like to add corny that ...those fackers ARE NOT FISHING...They are harvesting/snagging. That is really all there is to it, end of story buddy. The art of fishing implies that you are tricking the fish into biting your presentation, which these guys most certainly are not doing...and if ya had been down there, sure they don't rip 4-6 times per cast..but only cause that would then take them outta the holding water so they have to recast then..

Did I mention how flossers take fish away from OUR QUOTA as well? Bait, spinner, fly..let's just call them ethical guys don't take 20 fish hooked to land their limit...more like maybe 3 or 4 for their 2....flossing/snaggers, now called "Facks" tend to hook a good many more than that before there limit...SO WHATS THE PROBLEM?
Well, glad you asked.. this river observes a 20% mortality (pretty standard for all fished rivers) so let's just take one morning at the lower guard rail hole...5 guys flossing, each encounter (hook up with) 10 fish before they can get their two legal ones and get outta there...well thats 50 fish encountered and 10 assumed to be dead..Those fish come out of OUR QUOTA..shortening our season on the river and fvckin with opportunities for the rest of us...now that just 10 fish outta ONE HOLE, IN ONE MORNING...try thinking about extrapolating that data to the WHOLE RIVER and then think about how those assholes "aren't hurting anyone"...

I don't give two shyts if you want to sit and make excuses for them, just dont fackin call them "fishermen" cause they arent...they are low-class, self entitled, children that's it! and it that makes me an "elitist" well then it shows your true stature in the community and you can kiss the egg goo laden backside of my chestwaders!

Ya, ya whatever... Just make sure Corny's avatar stays.

I approve of Booby Avatars.

Fish on...

Todd

Alright guys lets get a couple of things straight all right .First off not once did i say that i condone snaggin at f-n all . i even posted that i will call them out about it when i fish near them . And secondly my post wasn't about all that at all it was suppose to be about why some of ya'll talk crap about GF.com . but i got side tracked and did a very poor job of that . So before i respond to the post about my post let me say what i wanted to say first . I dont understand why some of ya'll have this thing about GF .Because what i have seen over there are people that love to FISH just like here .And i have even meet a few of them out fishin and they are great pepole .Yes there was some jerks that were on there for awhile when BD owned it but they have all pretty much move on now [odh now on wash lakes ] . and it seems like its getting back to what it was like when i joined over there . fisherman helping others when asked about hints or techs for a river or lake . And i may be wrong but isn't that what a fishing site is all about to promote fishing .so thats why i dont understand the problem .

I was going to respond to the other posts but why . I said what i wanted to say at the start of this . so why keep drama going when there is no need too. but i will say this guys i'm sorry i said some of ya'll were "elitists " Because i was making a assumption and being judgmental the exact same thing i was bitching about.

Corny

Concerning Corny's avatar

I showed it to my wife. My wife said, "she must be a Seahawk's fan".

Later my wife asked, "how much do you think that temporary tattoo cost?"

There are a lot of things I could have said, like, "why, would you like one?"

But NOOOO. After having a couple of drinks, I said, " I don't know how much it cost, I would have done it for nothing."

Women have no sense of humor

Tattoo.

I was just suggesting he go there to get Skok reports, seems like there are plenty.

Every site has the usual skok thread right now, with the usual players spouting off on it..i think the best is that guide treat spouting off his theories and anti-tribal rhetoric over there on washingtonfakes with all his fan boys kneeled at his alter of praise..

that really nasty site even has a couple threads up with some pretty funny stuff from the posters.

I'd go to hunters just for the Todd sighting but I'm going back to summer runz that are unflossable

I got into an on-line (but in private messages) dust-up with "the treat", what a tool. He posted a detailed report on how to catch big ling cod (females sitting on egg nests) off the south jetty in the spring, when I suggested (in a fairly polite P.M.)that a report like that on such a widely read forum is not in the best interest of the species he got all up in my face, when I reponded that I'd be sure to make a few comments when I next see him on a river I fish he got even worse, telling me he has "lots" of lawyers in his family just waiting to sue someone, I laughed and responded with some suggestions on what they could all do. Give him crap when you see him out , he needs the high blood pressure. Bob R

Well todd, keep an eye out he's apparently "guiding" people on the lower skok...150 bucks to learn how to snag'em in the mouth...ya gotta be kidding me!

He always tries to threaten to sue, Fchan woulda been gone a long time ago, but it seems like it's hard to sue someone over something said on the internet forums

Anyways.... Enough of all the bullllshit hows the Skok fishin'

Anyone fishing the Nisqually this week?

Yep, the annual Skok thread signals that summer is almost over.

Potaire,

I m gonna hit the Nasty on Wednesday morning. I'll let u know how it went. Damn dude, this thread got side tracked like a "mat' ublyudok" (!) LOL, not Russian; just used the Google translator. :)))

Nisqually is closed on Wednesday, but lower skokomish is open to all forms of butt fvckery.

Thx dude, I just checked the dates on my phone. Funny thing is that I live on that river. This sux. Thursday it is, then.

JDT

Sorry, I left a word out in my post. It should have read "temporary" tattoo.

I'd still do it for free.

I heard JBLM is sending in a combat unit to both rivers complete with tanks, Hummers and a few F-15s to keep the peace. The state is working on a way for 200 hundred fisherman to split 3 salmon!

Well they should!..word on the street is that a 14 year old tribal kid got jumped on the skok yesterday by several guys, I know of who the father is and the kid was actually a pretty good guy ( if it was him)
I hope he is okay and this isn't the start of something wicked to come this way.

Is it time we stand up and start policing our fellow fishermen yet?

Like the tribals are always the victims...

I was shot with a pellet gun when I was 12 fishing with some friends and their dad. Shot me right next to the balls. Lucky he wasn't a better shot. The pellet went through my waders and broke the skin.

I have seen lots of run-ins on the Skokomish, and usually it is racially directed. The white guys spewing slurs or the natives shooting people with pellet guns...it has to stop.

I was fishing with a couple of other bobber guys last weekend away from the crowds, and out of the woods come three native guys (about 16-18) spewing slurs (honkies, whitebread etc..). They said they were going call the tribal police and say we threatened them. They didn't. They left and came back about an hour later with what looked like tuna rods and started ripin' lip with old skok fly (led wrapped treble). I had one fish so I decided to make my exit. As I was gutting out my fish...one of the native punks chucked his crap right on top of some poor guys bobber gear. He reeled up the guys stuff and cut it off. Their misguided sense of entitlement is a majority of the problem. Rock throwing ensued and one of the native kids said he was going to get his gun. We got out of their fast.

On the Swing, Im sure you have your reasons for being sympathetic, I really do understand. My dad is a drug and alcohol (amongst other things) counselor for some local tribes, and being broken and hurt is a huge problem that contributes to most of the issues facing native americans. However in some of the training provided by the tribes themselves, they encourage him to help them themselves and...wait for it...STOP BLAMING THE WHITE MAN for all your problems.

I have talked to some more mature members of the tribe while fishing (bobber and bait fisherman..go figure) and they are disappointed at how things are going down. One blamed both sides for having to much of a sense entitlement. Them with the river and netting (access) and us with the hatcheries (claiming we pay for all the fish and they net most of them).

I liked his idea: on all fisheries where tribal gill netting and white gear fisherman interact, the tribes have their own hatcheries with federal over site and the state keeps their hatcheries. I know this brings in a whole new set of problems...but at least the issue of "our fish/your fish" argument could be settled. Who knows....but something needs to happen.

That's not what I was sayin buddy..i was stating something that happened on the river the other day and that instances like that make it hard for our Co managers to work together as a unit, and I wouldn't be surprised to see increased regulations or a partial closure next year.
And I can agree with some of what your sayin, even in that last Paragraph but the system isn't set up that way, and it is unlikely to be changed any time soon..soooo...we should (treaty and non-treaty) just try to treat eachother as though you would want to be treated..ya there are young punks in the tribe..but there are a lot more non-treaty punks out there..ya just gotta turn the other cheek and let some [Bleeeeep!] slide once in awhile to keep forward progress...
Jesus, this isn't a hesbola, Israeli, palistinian, thing here...but yet we are treating it as such

There was a clubbing. A pair of kids got into an argument and 2 of them squared off. Afterwards they parted ways, then three grown men chased the young teenagers down, pinned them against the fence and started beating away, one of them is in the hospital.

I was also shown pictures of crap all along the trails, beer cans everywhere and a half filleted fish to go along with the open bellied fish from snaggers. These of course are yearly pictures.

The yearly Smoke-homish thread is developing nicely.

Yeah, what a gem! Hope they close the fuk'er down. All those fisheries do is breed desperate maggots that use the same tactics and b.s on other streams...

Yeah, thats smart...shut down the Skok nasty and the puke. Then everyone will move west and north. Great plan smart one. I say these rivers are to far gone. Turn 'em into meat markets and let them have at it! That way, come September they aren't swarming the Satsop Humptulips and such.

i think that's long past due. unfortunately the snagger types can have a real chip on their shoulder(often alcohol/drug fueled) and rarely hang out alone. a lot of them like to pick fights, too.

i fish the nisqually a lot in august and september, i grew up fishing it and have no plans to give it up. needless to say i was a little shocked by the closures this year that take up quite a bit of the season. from what i understand, it's due to on-river idiocy by sport fishermen. i'm not saying the tribe doesn't fuel a lot of that(i've had some of the younger netters try to play chicken with me when i've been anchored up along the bank the last few years), but every time we go up against them, we're set up to lose from the get go. best to just grin and bear it, and be thankful they can't net 6 days a week like some systems.

there's enough salmon to go around, learn to share a little bit, and leave the dumbass at the bar where it belongs.

I'm happy to say I have never fished the skokomish

Nor nisqually..

That there are places you won't fish because they are owned by unethical scumbags is nothing to be proud of or happy about.

I'm NOT happy to say I don't enjoy fishing the Skokomish, Quilcene Bay, and several other places anymore because of the contingent of useless, ignorant people who feel they're somehow entitled to snag fish and have turned those beautiful places into dirty, hostile, and even dangerous places. Sad is all that makes me.

Just called the Range Control. I have a retiree ID Card and DOD sticker on my truck but still have to get the access pass. Same thing for the active duty members, too. Geez.

FF02: You mean those places are more scary to fish than the trailer park on the sop? Just kidding man! I have seen some brawls there...but half of those had nothing to do with fishing, usually someones wife sleeping with the neighbor or some member of their extended family. You know...normal trailer park stuff.

Ladder....check.
Yellow rod....check.
Black Corky on 6' leader....check
Missing front teeth....check
Turds on the shore....check
Lack of decorum and fishing ethics....check

Am I missing anything or am I ready to fish?

The skok I know is secluded, peaceful, and nothing but bait fisherman

Careful bankbum...you wouldn't want to stir the pot too much..when evohook finally wakes up he might get butt hurt and try to get ya banned!

It is a shame what the lower Skok has become.
I'm gratefully I got to fish and experience the canal rivers back in their glory days. Lots of good memories.
SF

Fished the 'Squally this morning around 9AM to Noon. Nothing's going on over there. I heard of 1 fish being caught earlier in the morning and that's about it. Appearently, the tribe got skunked, too.

Ya ditto for me too..just came off a tidewater hole on the nasty with nothing to show for it..

Of course as we left one rolled...fml.

Last year around same time (even earlier) I was killing em with eggs and I wasn't the only one. I don't know what's going on this year. What gives?

they just aren't in there yet for some reason. if they are just late, remains to be seen. i know a big run was predicted for this year. i usually don't do consistently well until mid august usually, but it's weird to not even see anything rolling yet.

there were seals in almost every hole i anchored up in thursday afternoon though. i would've figured they'd be chasing something around.

It's 322 AM, too many Afghanies chasing me out my sleep. I'm gonna give it another shot. I'll let u know how it went.

Drifted eggs for about 4 hours on Sunday. Nothing. I saw 2 fish roll. Trout everywhere, tho. Take your kids out there and just drift night crawlers. It'd be a good way to teach river fishing to youngsters.

I question the use of bait for trout on a river with a 12 inch minimum, sounds like a lot of dead trout to come up with two legal ones. Lots of local lakes that would fit the bill better. bob r

I'm a fellow veteran, try pitching spinners along the beach just East of Union. on a flood tide.

If your looking to get the cutties I'd throw a small Cleo or kastmaster. They will hit those just as good if not better than bait. A friend fished it in the lower river for kings last week and got his two. Still real slow though. Steelhead has been keeping me occupied so I havnt had the need to chase salmon yet.

Bob, I hear u bud. But, they are so thick in numbers even if u r not targeting them you are still gonna a catch a few. As far as I m concerned we can use bait down stream from the tank bridge regardless of species we are fishing for. That being said, I caught 2 on Sunday( they actually hooked them selves) and both released unharmed. I live up near Mc Kenna and c&r trout all day drifting flies with a small weight, using spinning gear( can't use a fly rod because of my injuries). Also, while drifting worms, one can hook into one of those big ugly suckers and we both know that they fight like hell:)

I know that bait's legal in that section, I think I would swap out trebles for siwash or sickle hooks on a small spinner or spoon, you can catch and release all day.the larger (1, 1/0) hooks do quite well and keep the smaller ones from even hooking up. Helps improves the young ones casting abilities as well. And we all know the thrill of catching fish on hardware.Makes the fooling that much sweeter. Good fishing! Bob R

Good point! As a matter of fact, I use long shank hooks when I use bait for trout. I find it much easier to release the fish and almost all hook ups are in the jaw area. If the trout sucked the whole thing in, it's best to just to cut the line then release.

Slabhunter, I have tried everything including home made spoons on Sunday. I have some projects going on around the house and that's why I m fishing waters near by. In September, I'll be camping near Humptulips It's just very concerning to me that the kings are not playing this year in Nisqually.

Giggity

Wow, that turned.