#905272 - 09/08/14 01:24 PM
NOAA hatchery meetings
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From: http://www.thereelnews.com/fish-for-fun.html NOAA Announces Hatchery Workshops
Want to know what the feds have in mind for Puget Sound hatcheries? A draft of a proposed federal management plan for 133 Puget Sound salmon and steelhead hatchery programs will be on the table for public review and comment in early September. The draft environmental impact statement (DEIS) on natural resource management plans for the hatchery programs will be featured at workshops where NOAA Fisheries representatives will discuss the project and answer questions from the public including fish managers, salmon and steelhead anglers, and environmentalists. Workshop attendees may submit written comments on the DEIS at the meetings, by email to PShatcheryEIS.wcr@noaa.gov, or by USPS mail to the address provided at website http://www.westcoast.fisheries.noaa.gov/hatcheries/ps_deis/ps_deis.html. Workshop Sites: (all 6 to 8 p.m.)
Port Townsend, Sept. 8 (TONIGHT) Fort Worden State Park Chapel - Building 24.
Lacey, Sept. 9 (TOMORROW) Lacey Community Center 6729 Pacific Ave SE
Renton, Sept. 10 (WEDNESDAY) 17155 Maple Valley Highway
Sedro-Woolley, Sept. 11 (THURSDAY) Community Center 703 Pacific Street
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#905464 - 09/09/14 03:31 PM
Re: NOAA hatchery meetings
[Re: Backtrollin]
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Three Time Spawner
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I find it somewhat amusing that there is only ONE Federal agency who is authorized to operate a fish hatchery. And it ain't NOAA-Fisheries. It's the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service.
USFWS is the only Federal agency who operates and maintains fish hatcheries. NOAA can't. They just like to tell everyone else how to do it. But they have no personal experience. Nor will they ever since they have no legal authority.
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#905543 - 09/09/14 08:25 PM
Re: NOAA hatchery meetings
[Re: cohoangler]
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Spawner
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NOAA actually operates a dandy fish hatchery and net-pen operation at Manchester. It is a very nice facility and quite well run.
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#905555 - 09/09/14 11:47 PM
Re: NOAA hatchery meetings
[Re: OncyT]
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River Nutrients
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Had a friend who went to the PT meeting. He said there were 4 sport fishers there. Not a very good showing. He said the presentation was good and NOAA is looking for individual and group letters in support of or opposition to the 4 options. The EIS is about 1600 pages. The executive summary outlines the options. http://www.westcoast.fisheries.noaa.gov/hatcheries/ps_deis/ps_deis.htmlThe sport fishing community needs to let NOAA know what its preferences are. The deadline for comments is 5 pm, October 23.
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#905751 - 09/12/14 08:38 AM
Re: NOAA hatchery meetings
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River Nutrients
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There was a decent crowd at the Sedro Woolley meeting.
42 peopled signed in. A major interest was the WFC/WDFW settlement and what it means to the Skagit steelhead fishing for the next 12 years.
Curt
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#906235 - 09/15/14 11:22 PM
Re: NOAA hatchery meetings
[Re: Smalma]
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River Nutrients
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So the whole I-5 corridor gets turned into a fly flickers paradise by coercive actions by WFC and this is the only thread, with less than a full page of replies.
I'm almost sorry I was out of town when this went down as this shows how little the sports-fishers care about or are willing to really get involved in caring about their perceived passion, unless their all fly flickers!
Fishy
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#906248 - 09/16/14 03:59 AM
Re: NOAA hatchery meetings
[Re: Somethingsmellsf]
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Everyone must have been out of town.
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#906252 - 09/16/14 09:28 AM
Re: NOAA hatchery meetings
[Re: Keta]
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I spoke with Kirk Pearson about this and asked if this could be redacted and was told that he was not sure but that he was very angry about this and he would do everything he could to, stop, curtail and prevent such actions like this in the future. Anderson should be fired for selling public resources and making deals without public input and not following policy, at the very least.
Fishy
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#906363 - 09/17/14 04:32 PM
Re: NOAA hatchery meetings
[Re: Salmo g.]
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Something . . .,
with no steelhead programs and no steelhead seasons, unless you assume fly flickers only fish for sea run cutthroat.
Perhaps you should reread the regs as I see open seasons for steelies. Most of my fishing friends who fish the Skagit stopped caring about hatchery winter runs years ago, because the Skagit hatchery run, but for a couple exceptional years, has been way less productive than the wild run for the last three decades. Which is why there should be a hatchery to keep those that want to retain fish from potentially poaching "wild" fish.
The Sedro meeting was attended by a few fly flickers, but the Wildcat whack 'em and stack 'em mentality was even better represented. So I'm not sure what your point is. Sg Hatchery fish are meant to be, in your words, whacked and stacked, itn provides opportunity, gives those that want a fish for the table, eats and should lessen the impact on "wild" fish.Wait a couple of years when those hatchery fish are gone, then people that want to catch and kill a fish will be over on the Peninsula whacking and stacking and you'll hear the bitchin and whining start then! Also see above post for another point of view. Fishy
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#906441 - 09/18/14 12:57 PM
Re: NOAA hatchery meetings
[Re: Somethingsmellsf]
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River Nutrients
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Myass,
I appreciate your alternate point of view. Problem is, it's not real. Returns of Chambers Creek hatchery winter steelhead have been poor throughout Puget Sound for years now. Better on the Sky and Snoqualmie than other rivers, but poor nonetheless. So despite a world of caring, hatchery hard work, and unlimited volunteer support and dedication, the fact is, very few of these fish return. We have a fishing season, yes, and some may call that opportunity, but contrasted to a time when significant returns of hatchery steelhead was normal, it's a very weak description of opportunity. I'm not suggesting that people stop caring about the hatchery programs, I just think it's beneficial to be realistic regarding expectations.
Somethingsmells . . .,
Yes, there are open seasons for steelhead fishing, but seriously, how many hatchery steelhead have been available to catch in PS the last few years? Don't know about you, but I can't whack, let alone stack, fish that aren't there to be caught.
Sg
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#906502 - 09/18/14 08:58 PM
Re: NOAA hatchery meetings
[Re: Salmo g.]
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River Nutrients
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SG,
I agree that hatchery fish have been surely lacking but that just magnifies how precarious the vaunted "wild" fish can be, without hatchery numbers to take the impact of fishing, "wild" fish will suffer.
Over 800,000 fishing licenses are sold in WA and some of those people want to take a hatchery steelhead home, lacking that some will resort to poaching. The WDFW has by its own policy and history has provided these hatchery fish for consumption, eliminating those fish without any input from the paying public was a huge mistake.
Has anyone taken into account how the commies or the Tribes are going to impact these dwindling stocks? They did not agree to this nor will go willingly along without some sort of mitigation.
Fishy
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I think name-calling is the right way to handle this one/Dan S
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#906540 - 09/19/14 11:04 AM
Re: NOAA hatchery meetings
[Re: Somethingsmellsf]
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Juvenile at Sea
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Perhaps if the "paying public" was actually aware of the cost for hatchery fish on a per fish basis, things might have been shut down a long time ago. People might "want" to take home a fish, but no one "needs" to take home a fish. There are much more efficient ways to "feed" one's family.
Poachers will poach no matter the season, abundance, or penalties. You don't let criminals set policy, instead you set penalties for the act...and enforce them.
C&R fishing allows more people to enjoy the resource that is left. It never fails to amaze me that most people can only define their wildlife encounter with the death of the animal.
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#906597 - 09/19/14 06:43 PM
Re: NOAA hatchery meetings
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Carcass
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Good article SPORT FISHING GROUPS, TRIBES RALLY TO DEFEND HATCHERY STEELHEAD, SALMON Story by Terry W. Sheely "The stepped-up attack by wild fish zealots to end nearly all state and federal steelhead and salmon hatchery programs is, after months of free-reign, running into resistance from sport-fishing organizations and treaty tribes. The conflict escalated following 3½ hours of sometimes contentious testimony at a State Senate committee work session orchestrated by Senator Kirk Pearson, chairman of the Senate Natural Resources Committee. Pearson is an outspoken critic of the anti-hatchery movement and of Washington Fish and Wildlife Director Phil Anderson’s refusal to defend sport fishermen…"
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#906605 - 09/19/14 08:32 PM
Re: NOAA hatchery meetings
[Re: Lucky Louie]
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SPORT FISHING GROUPS, TRIBES RALLY TO DEFEND HATCHERY STEELHEAD
And when they get the hatchery steelhead back the sports fishers will go back to cussing the tribes nets in the rivers. That's good for a laugh.
Edited by Keta (09/20/14 01:32 AM) Edit Reason: typo
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#906606 - 09/19/14 08:56 PM
Re: NOAA hatchery meetings
[Re: Keta]
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Carcass
Registered: 11/30/09
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The disappointment from this fiasco was the lawsuit that leads to the out of court settlement with a minority extremist organization, whose ideals does not come remotely close to representing the 800,000 license holders in this state.
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