#930967 - 05/29/15 11:52 AM
Salmon fishing on the Klutina River - Alaska
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Egg
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For those of you who haven't fished the Klutina River yet, this video gives a good overview of this sweet fishery. https://vimeo.com/127314584Why deal with the hordes on the Kenai and the Russian River when you've got gems like the Klutina? The only weird thing is every time I've been on that river, the water has been turquoise blue. It must have been high water or something when they recorded this. Anyway, makes me want to drift some flies!
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#930973 - 05/29/15 12:36 PM
Re: Salmon fishing on the Klutina River - Alaska
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Returning Adult
Registered: 10/26/09
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Loc: South Sound
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Why does it mater where they are hooked when you floss? They aren't willing biters at that point, I fail to see why hook location maters. Seems like a strange distinction given the premise. But, this is an argument as old as the fish runs...
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#930983 - 05/29/15 01:16 PM
Re: Salmon fishing on the Klutina River - Alaska
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Egg
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I'm in the camp that thinks they don't willingly bite anymore when they're far up into the river.
But my brother-in-law swears that they'll bite, and he's always changing his yarn color based on the light or what the folks next to us caught one on.
Who knows???
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#931000 - 05/29/15 02:11 PM
Re: Salmon fishing on the Klutina River - Alaska
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Three Time Spawner
Registered: 12/29/99
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Loc: Vancouver, Washington
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There is a fine line between flossing and snagging (pardon the pun). Flossing is 'upper class' snagging. That means the fish is hooked in a location and in a manner that is identical to how it might have been hooked if the fish had taken the fly, if it were a willing biter, even though it's not.
But snagging is just snagging.
The reason for the rule on 'hook placement' is to maintain that distinction.
I'm not defending the rule, just stating the reason for it's existence.
Edited by cohoangler (05/29/15 02:15 PM)
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#931002 - 05/29/15 02:41 PM
Re: Salmon fishing on the Klutina River - Alaska
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Ornamental Rice Bowl
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Just give 'em all a circle hook and it becomes a NON issue... virtually NONE would be hooked elsewhere than the mouth http://forums.outdoorsdirectory.com/showthread.php/116682-Circles-for-sockeye?highlight=
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#931006 - 05/29/15 06:00 PM
Re: Salmon fishing on the Klutina River - Alaska
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Returning Adult
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But Doc, that doesn't answer the question of why it matters where they are hooked. Sure, using a circle hook may assure that they are hooked in the mouth but if they aren't willing biters why is the mouth somehow better than the tail?
Edited by TedR (05/29/15 06:01 PM)
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#931007 - 05/29/15 06:37 PM
Re: Salmon fishing on the Klutina River - Alaska
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Dick Nipples
Registered: 03/08/99
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Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
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I agree with Ted...it's snagging either way, so why worry about where it's hooked?
Fish on...
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#931008 - 05/29/15 06:50 PM
Re: Salmon fishing on the Klutina River - Alaska
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Ornamental Rice Bowl
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Because that's what the silly law says.
By AK state statute:
Hooked elsewhere than the mouth = snagged
Attempting to hook a fish elsewhere than the mouth = snagging
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"Snagged" in the mouth by WA criteria (no willful pursuit) is not "snagged" by AK criteria
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#931011 - 05/29/15 06:55 PM
Re: Salmon fishing on the Klutina River - Alaska
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River Nutrients
Registered: 11/05/04
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Humm?
I wonder how many fish that may have been willing biters are caught in nets.
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#931017 - 05/29/15 09:59 PM
Re: Salmon fishing on the Klutina River - Alaska
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Dick Nipples
Registered: 03/08/99
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Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
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The law is the part I am wondering about...they aren't biting it, so why should it matter where the fish is snagged? Head, ass, dorsal fin...who cares?
Fish on...
Todd
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#931039 - 05/30/15 05:43 PM
Re: Salmon fishing on the Klutina River - Alaska
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Returning Adult
Registered: 10/26/09
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Loc: South Sound
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What Todd said. They aren't biting, at that point it doesn't matter where they are hooked.
I find it odd that a biologist is the one in the video, just seems like a biologist would be one who cares about willing biter versus non. Kind of a like expecting a priest not to swear, you aren't surprised when anyone else does but if a priest drops an f bomb, everyone notices.
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#931059 - 05/30/15 10:37 PM
Re: Salmon fishing on the Klutina River - Alaska
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Ornamental Rice Bowl
Registered: 11/24/03
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Yep.... and now there is guided fishing for Kenai pinks, too. The times they are a'changin'
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#931108 - 05/31/15 08:42 PM
Re: Salmon fishing on the Klutina River - Alaska
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Juvenile at Sea
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