#971850 - 01/20/17 03:48 PM
Re: Should pinniped predation be included in harvest?
[Re: Soft bite]
|
River Nutrients
Registered: 11/21/07
Posts: 7914
Loc: Olema,California,Planet Earth
|
Dropout occurs, period. Unless one is on the net 60/60/24/7 some fish will drop. Way back when (80s) there were locations where the pinnipeds net fished. They drove fish into the nets and took them out. Even with the netter trying to chase them. I can't imagine in 30 years that seals got dumber.
A gill net has an optimum size of fish it will retain. That is why there are (or should be) sockeye, coho, chum, and chinook nets. A fish that is outside the target range may tangle, snag a tooth, or whatever. Then, die and come un-netted.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#971852 - 01/20/17 05:20 PM
Re: Should pinniped predation be included in harvest?
[Re: FleaFlickr02]
|
Ornamental Rice Bowl
Registered: 11/24/03
Posts: 12621
|
Thanks for bringing this to the forefront, Soft bite. I'm curious... if release mortality doesn't factor into dropout, where on Earth are they coming up with sport dropout being higher than either commercial fishery's dropout? What constitutes dropout in a sport fishing context?
You know someone's cooking the books when sport angling accounts for a higher percentage of dropout than gillnets; I'm just wondering what's in the recipe. Drop-off on rec gear represents all the fish encountered by the gear that did NOT come to hand. There is associated mortality that is not directly appreciated by the angler. Some fish are mortally wounded by the hooking site but subsequently come unbuttoned out of sight. Some are visibly pumping clouds of blood, but throw the hook or break the line. Some may not be mortally wounded by the hook, but are nonetheless mortally stressed out by the fight (think coho that does that signature death roll just before the netshot.... FISH OFF!). These dead fish are accounted for. Release mortalities are the fish that die post-release as a result of the stress/injury inflicted by the encounter plus the handling after being landed. These dead fish are accounted for. Pinniped mortality is fish ripped from your hooks during the fight, while netting the fish, or immediately after releasing a fish that now lacks the vigor to swiftly evade a predator. These dead fish are NEVER accounted for.
_________________________
"Let every angler who loves to fish think what it would mean to him to find the fish were gone." (Zane Grey) "If you don't kill them, they will spawn." (Carcassman) The Keen Eye MDLong Live the Kings!
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#971963 - 01/24/17 10:17 AM
Re: Should pinniped predation be included in harvest?
[Re: Soft bite]
|
River Nutrients
Registered: 03/03/09
Posts: 4702
Loc: Somewhere on the planet,I hope
|
Well thread calmed a bit so to SB question and we all had thoughts. So here is one. Call it what you may hooking / release moralities / drop out and these terms and words have meaning and are woven throughout the model. Then this fact in our terminal area ( all really ) fisheries mortality numbers, you know the total impact of conducting fisheries, are not close to accurate and it is not that it is not known that the error ( and it is sizable ) is present it is rather just accepted by everyone, except SB, as long as seasons move forward. To be honest I doubt that many really would want to know because frankly the disruption in how business is done with seasons would implode.
_________________________
Dazed and confused.............the fog is closing in
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
11505 Members
17 Forums
73093 Topics
827190 Posts
Max Online: 4105 @ 01/15/26 03:57 PM
|
|
|