#973117 - 02/12/17 06:11 PM
Re: What opportunity have you lost?
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RICH G
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Another thought is to create an illegal restocking program. Was quite common not so long ago for individuals owning property on watersheds to have a small rearing ponds where they would spawn out their own fish, incubate the eggs and release them as smolt or Fry. When I was a cop in Mason County I ran into three individuals who were doing this, one on Sherwood Creek, (steelhead), one on the Union River (steelhead/coho), unnamed trickle on the South Shore of Hood Canal, (chum). The one on the Union was well established and was using a native stock which had established a run to the culvert for a couple decades, was releasing about 5,000 per year, would get a couple dozen per year back. The one on Sherwood creek had a friend at the Ells Hill hatchery on the Skok, and would get a few thousand fry from his friend, keep them in a holding pond till spring and then open the gate, he told me he got as many as 50 back, he lived on a tributary of Sherwood Creek. The south shore one was interesting, the people had purchased an incubator from a sears catalog and spawned out a few chum that were native to the creek, many years the creek would have barely enough water for fish to go up but they told me they would get hundreds back which would die on the beach due to lack of room in the creek since it was so small.
Might be time to take management back into the public's hands, it's not hard to raise fish, you could do it with a homemade incubator and a kids swimming pool as long as you have a good water source.
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#973119 - 02/12/17 06:29 PM
Re: What opportunity have you lost?
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Spawner
Registered: 02/06/03
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Why can't we sue for utter and miserable mismanagement and lost opportunity... at least to replant our Rivers. Maybe they'll fear us for once and not just the tribes.
Whatever, I don't have the energy anymore... no faith in the Washington Department of Failed Wildlife. All the money in this rich ass state and all they can do is fail us.
So who wants to be a overpriced license this year? I agree, I have spent most of my adult life watching data from field workers I know and trust get looked over at the bargaining table and myself have been punished when false data was being reported and I called it out. Don't feel the need to do that again.
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#973127 - 02/12/17 09:15 PM
Re: What opportunity have you lost?
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Registered: 09/08/02
Posts: 420
Loc: Seattle
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Brings up a point- powers that be are going to be cutting the sky summer run plant starting with this year's smolt release. We need to get on top of this! [/quote]
Do you have more information on this? How much are they going to be cutting?
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#973140 - 02/13/17 08:43 AM
Re: What opportunity have you lost?
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River Nutrients
Registered: 11/07/99
Posts: 2691
Loc: Yelmish
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being that i rarely fished anywhere north of the nisqually, most of my lost opportunity in the past 10 years has been in the form of access. the big one has been all the timber companies locking their gates and now charging for permits...if you're one of the few hundred that can get one. elsewhere, just the usual "tragedy of the commons" thing, more and more places being shut down by private landowners, forcing everyone else(including the slobs that got areas shut down in the first place) into smaller and smaller areas. not to mention, fewer land owners who are friendly to sportsmen.
however, a few lost fisheries... capital lake, closed due to "mud snails"(the fish weren't bright but it was a fun diversion before work when i lived in olympia) skokomish river random and unpredictable seasons on the nisqually having nothing to do with conservation(we'll see what BS they come up with this year) upper chehalis hatchery summer runs grays river winter steelhead little green summer runs lewis river springers cowlitz december steelhead
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#973141 - 02/13/17 09:15 AM
Re: What opportunity have you lost?
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Registered: 02/13/03
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"Now nearly all those that I loved in my youth are dead." Final scene of "A river runs through it".
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#973143 - 02/13/17 09:55 AM
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Ornamental Rice Bowl
Registered: 11/24/03
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Thank God we still have clams.... gettin to be 'bout the only fishery that hasn't been f'd.
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#973144 - 02/13/17 10:35 AM
Re: What opportunity have you lost?
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River Nutrients
Registered: 07/11/04
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Loc: Bothell, Wa
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I still enjoy alpine trout.
Everything else is lost or abandoned.
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#973146 - 02/13/17 10:47 AM
Re: What opportunity have you lost?
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Piper
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I've lost the coho fishery between foulweather bluff and the Hood Canal bridge, this was one of the best early coho fisheries in puget sound featuring an early influx of Quillicene coho's and the Port Gamble net pen fish... this whole area was given to commercial interests in the name of conservation of hood canal Chinook...
We've lost many of the once great hood canal estuaries to algae blooms and commercial fishing... Big Beef, Dewatto, Tahuya to name a few... there are still fish available if you catch it on the right day, but not like the glory years where you could go down there any day of the week September thru November and fish the crystal clear waters and catch coho
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#973147 - 02/13/17 11:10 AM
Re: What opportunity have you lost?
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Repeat Spawner
Registered: 08/02/12
Posts: 1052
Loc: In a drift boat...
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Thank God we still have clams.... gettin to be 'bout the only fishery that hasn't been f'd. Except for the Bio-toxin levels, sure...
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#973162 - 02/13/17 06:05 PM
Re: What opportunity have you lost?
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Registered: 10/26/09
Posts: 466
Loc: South Sound
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Man you guys are depressing. A whole thread of negativity. Sure, it sucks, but wallowing in despair isn't gonna solve it.
Get out and enjoy what you have and fight for what you want back. Stay positive. Negativity gets you right back where you started only depressed and drunk. Do better.
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#973168 - 02/13/17 07:34 PM
Re: What opportunity have you lost?
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Spawner
Registered: 08/30/03
Posts: 871
Loc: Port Angeles, WA
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Man you guys are depressing. A whole thread of negativity. Sure, it sucks, but wallowing in despair isn't gonna solve it.
Get out and enjoy what you have and fight for what you want back. Stay positive. Negativity gets you right back where you started only depressed and drunk. Do better. Teaching a fisheries/fishing course at Crescent High School out here in Joyce. Engaging the future generation in the opportunities that still exist and where they stand as stakeholders to alter the current trend. This population of students includes tribal members. We are bridging the gap out here!
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#973174 - 02/13/17 08:27 PM
Re: What opportunity have you lost?
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Ornamental Rice Bowl
Registered: 11/24/03
Posts: 12767
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Thank God we still have clams.... gettin to be 'bout the only fishery that hasn't been f'd. Except for the Bio-toxin levels, sure... I'll clarify... ...gettin to be 'bout the only fishery that hasn't been f'd BY MISMANAGEMENT .... BTW we're about to lose a little more harvest opportunity... I hear rockfish limit is about to go down to 7 fish in the coastal marine areas (1-4). Already got the rec winter closure set in stone.... now another 30% reduction when we're actually open. I guess they need to make room for a commercial Sebastes fishery since salmon's gonna suck so bad for the forseeable future.
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#973175 - 02/13/17 09:31 PM
Re: What opportunity have you lost?
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Juvenile at Sea
Registered: 11/26/03
Posts: 213
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Here is an oldie that most people forgot about or didn't know existed. Does the name Herschel sound familiar from the mid 80's and 90's
Lake Sammamish Tribs, etc. I know a guy who years ago as a kid used to catch Steelhead in Kenmore on the Slough. There was a lot of studies, articles written etc on the Sea Lions at the Ballard Locks. One was nicknamed Herschel. When is the last time anyone mentioned Steelhead, Lake WA, Lake Sammamish and their Tribs. Are the Native Steelhead extinct?
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#973176 - 02/13/17 09:59 PM
Re: What opportunity have you lost?
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Ornamental Rice Bowl
Registered: 11/24/03
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Are the Native Steelhead extinct?
To quote Salmo g... "functionally extirpated" by Herschel and Co.
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#973181 - 02/13/17 11:33 PM
Re: What opportunity have you lost?
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The Tide changed
Registered: 08/31/00
Posts: 7232
Loc: Everett
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Here is an oldie that most people forgot about or didn't know existed. Does the name Herschel sound familiar from the mid 80's and 90's
Lake Sammamish Tribs, etc. I know a guy who years ago as a kid used to catch Steelhead in Kenmore on the Slough. There was a lot of studies, articles written etc on the Sea Lions at the Ballard Locks. One was nicknamed Herschel. When is the last time anyone mentioned Steelhead, Lake WA, Lake Sammamish and their Tribs. Are the Native Steelhead extinct? There are still a few hanging on. I know the city of Bothell hydrogeologist that does stream surveys in the area for Steelhead and Coho. There are a very few hanging on in Streams like North creek. Probably less than 100 best guesstimation. The big Losses for me are places I used to twirl herring for Summer Chinook all over the sound as a kid out the back of our old Whaler. Elliot Bay. MA 10 winter blackmouth. Some of the local lakes now surrounded by houses. Skagit System. Many little Eastern Washington lakes that no one ever used to fish in the early summer. Snoqualmie has a lot of nostalgia in it for me. It's not only places we cant fish anymore, for me its more about the quality being greatly diminished in the places we can still fish. To the point where many places dont seem worth fishing because they arent anywhere near what they used to be, or could be with better management. I sometimes still go, just for old times sake.
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#973182 - 02/13/17 11:36 PM
Re: What opportunity have you lost?
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Piper
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I guess they need to make room for a commercial Sebastes fishery since salmon's gonna suck so bad for the forseeable future.
Interestingly, while fishing for Chinook in area 9 this year, we caught more rockfish than any year for the last 18... they are definitely making a comeback in Puget Sound and are about ready to support a commercial fishery for a year or two...
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#973192 - 02/14/17 06:03 AM
Re: What opportunity have you lost?
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River Nutrients
Registered: 07/11/04
Posts: 3113
Loc: Bothell, Wa
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About a decade or so right around this time of year I was heading out of the slew to do some trout fishing and spooked a small school of steelhead. That's was the first steelhead fishery I saw go down the crapper.
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#973196 - 02/14/17 06:52 AM
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River Nutrients
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