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#979657 - 09/12/17 12:57 PM pinks in the Sky
redlodge Offline
Fry

Registered: 10/30/02
Posts: 31
Loc: Kirkland
Leave the pinks alone.
Checked the pinks put above the falls in this time period
2017 502 fish
2015 12,883
2013 41,412

I think we should leave these alone to do thier thing.

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#979670 - 09/12/17 07:16 PM Re: pinks in the Sky [Re: redlodge]
DrifterWA Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 04/25/00
Posts: 4233
Loc: East of Aberdeen, West of Mont...
The numbers show they should be left alone.........but that said, I remember a NOF meeting where the Chum numbers in Grays Harbor were very low, so a member of the sports representatives, said "let them go to the gravel"..........A member of the Gill netters said, "We'll take them", Ron Warren said, "you get them".

So I hope in this case of the "pinks", there is no commercial fishery going on????
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#979672 - 09/12/17 07:30 PM Re: pinks in the Sky [Re: redlodge]
spokey9 Offline
Juvenile at Sea

Registered: 05/30/02
Posts: 187
Loc: Darrington, WA
Once they hit river they're safe from nets safe on the Snohomish system as far as I know.

I went out twice this season about 2 weeks ago. Didn't like what I saw numbers wise and left them be. Hopefully the bigger sizes over last run will help them bounce back better in '19.
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#979677 - 09/12/17 08:33 PM Re: pinks in the Sky [Re: redlodge]
eswan Offline
Smolt

Registered: 01/19/14
Posts: 99
Pinks on the duwamish showed a strong push two weeks ago and has slowed to very few in the lower river. Obviously significantly less fish this year.

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#979679 - 09/12/17 08:56 PM Re: pinks in the Sky [Re: redlodge]
OLD FB Offline
Juvenile at Sea

Registered: 09/05/14
Posts: 148
Loc: Stanwood WA
Sad state of affairs these days with the past few cycles proving non-productive! I've seen the Stilly in a downward spiral the last four cycles and it's troubling to say the least! What to do? Who knows but it's not great :-/

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#979680 - 09/12/17 09:34 PM Re: pinks in the Sky [Re: redlodge]
bushbear Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 08/26/02
Posts: 4465
Loc: Sequim
One could hope that the state would have considered a supplemental egg take from each river basin and release from the various hatcheries to help kick start the 2019 returns. Pinks don't need to be held in the hatchery for very long before their release.

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#979682 - 09/12/17 09:55 PM Re: pinks in the Sky [Re: eswan]
Jake Dogfish Offline
Returning Adult

Registered: 06/24/00
Posts: 407
Loc: Des Moines
Originally Posted By: eswan
Pinks on the duwamish showed a strong push two weeks ago and has slowed to very few in the lower river. Obviously significantly less fish this year.


I agree the few swimming by are dark by now. 6 fish limit is too much for some snagging spawners.
The incedental catch in the Ocean was a indicator of a poor as predicted run. Same in B.C.

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#979683 - 09/13/17 06:59 AM Re: pinks in the Sky [Re: redlodge]
Carcassman Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 11/21/07
Posts: 4207
Loc: Olema,California,Planet Earth
Pinks, like all salmon, are cyclic. Consistent annual returns is a human desire based on the need to control nature and have "consistent" fisheries.

Why not simply accept that the runs annually vary and work with that? Some of the reasons, like overfishing of the broodstock, can be controlled. Others, like cyclic ocean conditions, happen and we should learn live with them.

Some, like changing climate, are warnings of the future and represent conditions to which the fish are unable to adapt.

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#979684 - 09/13/17 07:18 AM Re: pinks in the Sky [Re: Carcassman]
Rivrguy Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 03/03/09
Posts: 3022
Loc: Somewhere on the planet,I hope
You know CM you can learn a lot from old timers. When working on a Chum issue I learned Harry had studied the history of them and it left me shell shocked. So lets take Chum and what is the North / South range now and historically. Well it moves folks North in warm periods ( earth time folks which is hundreds of years not human ) then South when things are warmer. ( think ice age ) It has been moving North for some time really since the last ice age but we had the blip when the Atlantic escalator stopped and wella little ice age, which is within historical memory, but North again now. This is known by archaeological research of aboriginal people who populated the West coast through time. What was amazing to me was how much the size of the Salmon population cycled up and down right down to lunar cycles effecting the ocean conditions and Salmon survival. We like to kill them in a very systematic way and that is direct conflict with nature.


Edited by Rivrguy (09/13/17 07:49 AM)
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#979687 - 09/13/17 07:46 AM Re: pinks in the Sky [Re: redlodge]
Carcassman Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 11/21/07
Posts: 4207
Loc: Olema,California,Planet Earth
Thanks for not calling me an "old timer". The 2000 year data base from Karluk Lake in AK shows the sockeye (essentially unfished) falling to 2-400K and then bouncing back to 4 million. That showed really long cycles of centuries. Of course, the biggest crash was when industrial fishing got underway. But, a natural fluctuation of an order or magnitude should make our managers think.

Oops. oxymoron like military intelligence.

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#979694 - 09/13/17 10:05 AM Re: pinks in the Sky [Re: redlodge]
Bay wolf Offline
Returning Adult

Registered: 10/26/12
Posts: 464
Loc: Graham, WA
How about we stop "managing" the fisheries as a commodity, to be fished down to the last possible scale? What if the fish were dealt with as a source of tourist revenue rather than a source of income for a very small percentage of the population?
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#979696 - 09/13/17 11:13 AM Re: pinks in the Sky [Re: redlodge]
Carcassman Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 11/21/07
Posts: 4207
Loc: Olema,California,Planet Earth
Using them as any source revenue will eventually lead to the need to have some sort of minimal amount to sustain that industry.

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#979713 - 09/13/17 07:45 PM Re: pinks in the Sky [Re: redlodge]
NickD90 Offline
Shooting Instructor for hire

Registered: 10/26/10
Posts: 3434
Loc: Snohomish, WA
I could care less about fishing for pinks, but they are the one fish that the kids and grandma can easily catch. I've made the conscience decision to not fish em', just so a kid can. Think of it like carbon credits..."Salmon Credits" if you will.

But to be totally honest, if Pinks tasted like good King, I would beat the kid and grandma down to get to the rod first.
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#979715 - 09/13/17 07:58 PM Re: pinks in the Sky [Re: redlodge]
Carcassman Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 11/21/07
Posts: 4207
Loc: Olema,California,Planet Earth
Since I could take or leave salmon for eating, I fish for them for fun. Pinks are fun.

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#979718 - 09/14/17 07:19 AM Re: pinks in the Sky [Re: redlodge]
spokey9 Offline
Juvenile at Sea

Registered: 05/30/02
Posts: 187
Loc: Darrington, WA
I mainly just fish pinks for fun too. They're a blast on a light float rod and micro jigs. Although on a good run I usually keep 3 or 4 hens for extra bait when the silvers show.
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#979719 - 09/14/17 07:20 AM Re: pinks in the Sky [Re: redlodge]
Jake Dogfish Offline
Returning Adult

Registered: 06/24/00
Posts: 407
Loc: Des Moines
https://fortress.wa.gov/dfw/erules/efishrules/erule.jsp?id=2040

Nooksack closed after a prediction of 96,218.
The Nisqually forecast of 21,463 was 98% down from the down 2015 run.
I guess since it's still open the fish must have over performed?

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#979720 - 09/14/17 08:00 AM Re: pinks in the Sky [Re: redlodge]
fishbreath Offline
Returning Adult

Registered: 01/21/00
Posts: 251
Loc: Bellingham,WA
Concerning the Nooksack closure, I'm wondering now if this will affect the six days a week in-river tribal net fisheries? Closing the sports fisheries down without any adjustment to the netting schedule would be down right stupid. However, I would not put it past the co-managers typical logic.

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#979721 - 09/14/17 08:09 AM Re: pinks in the Sky [Re: redlodge]
GodLovesUgly Offline
Repeat Spawner

Registered: 04/20/09
Posts: 1097
Loc: WaRshington
Been trying to hammer this point home to anglers for the past year. The outmigration in 2016 was the worst we have seen in over 15 years.
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#979724 - 09/14/17 09:18 AM Re: pinks in the Sky [Re: GodLovesUgly]
stonefish Offline
King of the Beach

Registered: 12/11/02
Posts: 4263
Loc: Carkeek Park
Originally Posted By: GodLovesUgly
Been trying to hammer this point home to anglers for the past year. The outmigration in 2016 was the worst we have seen in over 15 years.



Agreed....
I spoke a number of times with WDFW crews surveying pink and chum fry in the spring of 2016 while out beach fishing.
They weren't seeing many pink fry.
The forecast predicted a less then stellar return. I saw exactly one pink caught off the beaches I fish this summer.
Lots of long faces this summer for the buzz bomb and rotator crews.

People have tended to get a bit greedy after the past few huge pink runs because fishing was so easy. They just expect big number of fish to show up each year.
In reality, it just doesn't work that way.
A lot of those disappointed by this years pink returns won't fish again unit July 2019.
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#979725 - 09/14/17 09:20 AM Re: pinks in the Sky [Re: Carcassman]
Myassisdragon Offline
Spawner

Registered: 07/07/14
Posts: 889
Loc: The Wet Side
Originally Posted By: Carcassman
Since I could take or leave salmon for eating, I fish for them for fun. Pinks are fun.


Agreed ! + 2 for the fun factor.

A first maybe, but it's a good sign !

wink


Edited by Myassisdragon (09/14/17 12:32 PM)
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