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#980594 - 10/13/17 11:23 AM Quileute basin closing due to low water
bushbear Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 08/26/02
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Loc: Sequim


WDFW FISHING RULE CHANGE
Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife
600 Capitol Way North, Olympia, WA 98501-1091
http://wdfw.wa.gov

October 13, 2017

Quillayute River and most tributaries
to close Oct. 16 due to low river flows

Action: Closes the Quillayute, Sol Duc, and Dickey rivers to all fishing.

Closes sections of the Bogachiel and Calawah rivers to salmon fishing and other sections of those rivers to all fishing.

Effective date: Oct. 16, 2017 until further notice.

Locations and affected species:

Quillayute River: Closed to all fishing.
Sol Duc River: Closed to all fishing.
Dickey River: Closed to all fishing.
Bogachiel River, downstream of Wilson's boat launch and upstream of the Highway 101 bridge: Closed to all fishing.
Bogachiel River, between Highway 101 and Wilson's boat ramp: Closed to salmon retention but remains open to fishing for trout and hatchery summer steelhead.
Calawah River, upstream of the Highway 101 bridge: Closed to all fishing.
Calawah River, downstream of the Highway 101 bridge: Closed to salmon retention but remains open to fishing for trout and hatchery summer steelhead.

Reason for action: Unusually low river flows in recent weeks have created difficult migrating conditions for returning salmon, impeding their movement upstream. The closure is intended to protect these fish until flow conditions change sufficiently to enable normal salmon migration and the attainment of escapement goals.

These rivers will re-open when flows have normalized sufficiently to allow consistent, unimpeded migration.

Further Information: The Quileute Tribe is closing fisheries in the Quillayute River until flows improve and Olympic National Park is closing waters within the park boundaries.

Information contact: Region 6 Office, (360) 249-4628.



Fishers must have a current Washington fishing license, appropriate to the fishery. Check the WDFW "Fishing in Washington" rules pamphlet for details on fishing seasons and regulations. Fishing rules are subject to change. Check the WDFW Fishing hotline for the latest rule information at (360) 902-2500, press 2 for recreational rules. For the Shellfish Rule Change hotline call (360)796-3215 or toll free 1-866-880-5431.

Persons with disabilities who need to receive this information in an alternative format or who need reasonable accommodations to participate in WDFW-sponsored public meetings or other activities may contact Dolores Noyes by phone (360-902-2349), TTY (360-902-2207), or email (dolores.noyes@dfw.wa.gov). For more information, see http://wdfw.wa.gov/accessibility/reasonable_request.html.

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#980597 - 10/13/17 12:15 PM Re: Quileute basin closing due to low water [Re: bushbear]
FleaFlickr02 Offline
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Stupid waste of WDFW's admin time. It's going to rain like crazy next week. This closure will last all of about 2 or 3 non-crowded (weekday) angling days, and it might save a handful of salmon.

Wonder if someone's concerned they did a little too much damage with the gillnets in this low water.....

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#980601 - 10/13/17 01:23 PM Re: Quileute basin closing due to low water [Re: bushbear]
FleaFlickr02 Offline
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Well, I found out that the truth, as usual, lies somewhere in the middle, but still closer to my darkest suspicion. Turns out WDFW closed the fishery, not because they believed the sport fishery was ill-advised, but because it was the only way to get the Tribe to quit overfishing the coho that have been kegged up below Leyendecker. Thanks for being so "strong" on our behalf, Unsworth and Co.

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#980604 - 10/13/17 03:23 PM Re: Quileute basin closing due to low water [Re: bushbear]
Blu13 Offline
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Registered: 11/26/03
Posts: 213
I haven't been over yet this year but I have seen this happen a # of times over the years. You have the Tribe netting and cleaning up but you also have a good # of morons in there Snagging the heck out of the fish. It was sick watching them snagging 1 day. The next morning in the dark after the river shot up, it was funnier than heck watching them run around (with Headlamps on) like confused ants because their snag fest was over. They all started there rigs up and left like rats scurrying for their next meal.

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#980613 - 10/13/17 05:53 PM Re: Quileute basin closing due to low water [Re: bushbear]
bushbear Offline
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I heard that somewhere North of 45,000 lbs of coho were taken from the river within the past week

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#980615 - 10/13/17 06:23 PM Re: Quileute basin closing due to low water [Re: bushbear]
Blu13 Offline
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Registered: 11/26/03
Posts: 213
I know what the agreed netting schedule is for the season. Has anyone been over there and actually knows/witnessed what days they have been netting?

Just so you all know. Last year when the System was shut down in Oct & early Nov , way more Hatchery Coho showed than predicted. WDFW tried over and over to get the Sol Duc opened before the mid Nov date. The Tribe turned them down every time. Which meant when it opened in Mid Nov, all that was around was old hatchery fish up around the Hatchery. In other words, wasted opportunities and wasted fish.

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#980617 - 10/13/17 06:33 PM Re: Quileute basin closing due to low water [Re: bushbear]
RUNnGUN Offline
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Registered: 12/06/07
Posts: 1382
Oops one step behind, like always.
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#980621 - 10/13/17 06:47 PM Re: Quileute basin closing due to low water [Re: ]
RUNnGUN Offline
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Registered: 12/06/07
Posts: 1382
Originally Posted By: stam
Originally Posted By: FleaFlickr02
Stupid waste of WDFW's admin time.


What else would they be doing? With the spotlight on them they can't sexually harass the help anymore, plus they know that they've pissed everyone off so that makes them feel good.

...and we get to pay for it.


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#980640 - 10/14/17 11:54 AM Re: Quileute basin closing due to low water [Re: bushbear]
Bay wolf Offline
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Registered: 10/26/12
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Loc: Graham, WA
Originally Posted By: bushbear
I heard that somewhere North of 45,000 lbs of coho were taken from the river within the past week


So, does that mean the rec’s get an equal amount, if or when it opens?

Of course not.... has it even reached escapment?

Champions of conservation... my a$&!
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#980669 - 10/16/17 03:14 PM Re: Quileute basin closing due to low water [Re: bushbear]
steelhead59 Offline
Juvenile at Sea

Registered: 01/09/07
Posts: 155
Loc: Olympia, WA
My buddy is a fish buyer, he bought 58,000 lbs. one day last week on Richwine bar. Kings and silvers.

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#980673 - 10/16/17 07:08 PM Re: Quileute basin closing due to low water [Re: bushbear]
Blu13 Offline
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I can handle the Coho if they are mainly hatchery fish. Some Coho have always been able to make it up in low water. Plus the Tribe does raise Coho to release. We'll have to see what the returns to the Hatchery is come late November

What hurts are the Kings. They are all Wild. From my experience they will only go so far on low water and their #'s seem to be rebounding. For years many guides and a lot of us that have fish Forks for years have been releasing the Kings.

Not sure how accurate this is, but I was told (3 or 4 years ago) that the Tribe nailed the Kings early in the season that year and they netted more fish then made it to the Spawning Grounds. It worried them.

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#980680 - 10/17/17 06:18 AM Re: Quileute basin closing due to low water [Re: bushbear]
RUNnGUN Offline
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Registered: 12/06/07
Posts: 1382
Rains on the way!
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#980877 - 10/23/17 05:07 PM Re: Quileute basin closing due to low water [Re: bushbear]
Blu13 Offline
Juvenile at Sea

Registered: 11/26/03
Posts: 213
So, I'm not a happy camper. I called WDFW this afternoon. There is no set date or plan to open the Quillayute System up anytime soon or at all. Sounds like they are worried about low Chinook #'s and are evaluating.

Fishing over there for years like I have, I can pretty much guess what the problem is since this would not be the 1st time. In August, Sept early Oct the Kings hold in the lower river and won't run up in low water like Coho (There are exceptions). The tribe nets the lower river where those fish are basically trapped. Unless they have changed their tactics, they place nets way across the river, use there boats to drive the fish as well as using long poles, slapping the water. Add in Drift Nets and you have Death & Destruction.

The King #'s were projected to be up and were climbing over the last few years. If this is what has occurred, this could set us back. Again.

Thought I would share this. I may be proven wrong and it's opened right away. But I doubt it. The fact that WDFW has not opened it right away tells me there are problems. If this turns out to be the case, people need to let WDFW know this is not acceptable. Also, I understand the tribe has a right to fish and does raise Coho at the Sol Duc hatchery. But if this is true, as 1 government official told me last week in frustration, the System Is Broken!

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#980879 - 10/23/17 05:22 PM Re: Quileute basin closing due to low water [Re: bushbear]
Gusty Offline
Returning Adult

Registered: 04/27/99
Posts: 372
Loc: Everett, WA. USA
This isn’t passing the sniff test.......

The system should have opened last week for the weekend.

If the reason it’s not open is because of tribal over-fishing that’s really frustrating.

I debated passing on my license this year and I’m kinda having buyers remorse.

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#980888 - 10/24/17 09:14 AM Re: Quileute basin closing due to low water [Re: Blu13]
Bay wolf Offline
Repeat Spawner

Registered: 10/26/12
Posts: 1075
Loc: Graham, WA
Originally Posted By: Blu13
But if this is true, as 1 government official told me last week in frustration, the System Is Broken!


Blu13, I would very much like to speak to the government official who made that comment. If you're not comfortable posting the contact, please send me a PM. Thanks


Edited by Bay wolf (10/24/17 09:14 AM)
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#980914 - 10/24/17 07:22 PM Re: Quileute basin closing due to low water [Re: bushbear]
Blu13 Offline
Juvenile at Sea

Registered: 11/26/03
Posts: 213
Bay Wolf. I'm pretty sure you have good intentions but I can not let you know who the official is without their permission.

If you all notice, WDFW has not opened the System. That should tell us all something. Their are Hatchery Coho in the system for us to harvest and we are not allowed to do it. Throw in the fact that WDFW etc don't want Hatchery fish in the system to spawn and I believe they have real problems.

I was told a # today of Chinook (all are Wild-No Hatchery) harvested by the tribe that if correct could impact us for years to come.

I urge all of you that care to call WDFW and ask what the issue is. Leave messages for officials of influence if needed.

To be clear. I understand and I accept that the tribe has a right to 50%. I am not all right if they have exceeded those #'s and they impact us.

Also, if true this will not be the 1st time this has happened. I'm going to be asking questions about 2014 & 2015.

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#980928 - 10/25/17 08:25 AM Re: Quileute basin closing due to low water [Re: bushbear]
Blktailhunter Offline
Returning Adult

Registered: 08/07/09
Posts: 485
I am tired of being lied to by the WDFW. The reason for the closure was "Reason for action: Unusually low river flows in recent weeks have created difficult migrating conditions for returning salmon, impeding their movement upstream. The closure is intended to protect these fish until flow conditions change sufficiently to enable normal salmon migration and the attainment of escapement goals."

What the real reason was is that the tribes decimated the run during the low water conditions. The flows are up and if the low water was really the reason for the closure then it would have been re-opened by now. Good stewards of the resource? What a joke. They could care less about the resource. It's all about the money. If they were really good stewards they would have stopped the netting BEFORE the run was wiped out.

Needless to say I'm pissed as hell. When the hell is WDFW going to stand up for the sportsman and the fish?

Another example is Area 9 that is closed until Nov. 1st. The chum are flowing through the canal as I speak and sportsmen can't fish. A couple of days ago the tribes issued a special 3 day permit for their members to gill net the area near Pt. Gamble and yesterday they literally had gill nets stretched completely across the canal for the Saulsbury launch ramp to the west shore and had a budget rental cargo truck backed down the ramp that was taking chum and some silvers being off loaded by the gills netters. But I, a lower than whale crap WA sportsman, can't even fish off the beach without getting a ticket.

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#980930 - 10/25/17 09:28 AM Re: Quileute basin closing due to low water [Re: bushbear]
bushbear Offline
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Registered: 08/26/02
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Loc: Sequim
Drove across the Hood Canal Bridge yesterday. Lots of purse seiners operating S of the bridge in the morning. Coming home about dark, there were 8-10 vessels heading towards the ramp and lots of lights on vessels S of the bridge.

All those fish coming through MA 6 and we won't open again until March. Go figure

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#980931 - 10/25/17 09:46 AM Re: Quileute basin closing due to low water [Re: bushbear]
Carcassman Online   content
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Registered: 11/21/07
Posts: 7410
Loc: Olema,California,Planet Earth
Short answer is stock composition. MA 6 contains, at least for management and catch accounting purposes if not in reality, more and different stocks.

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#980932 - 10/25/17 10:04 AM Re: Quileute basin closing due to low water [Re: bushbear]
FleaFlickr02 Offline
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Posts: 3313
Looks like our citizens have made a few too many visits to the all you can eat crab buffet whilst blowing their paychecks at the casinos. On the way home, stop by the Trading Post and grab a tax-fee bottle of booze and a carton of cigarettes to make your next two weeks without spending money more bearable....

Only a fool could deny that this is how we got here. Of course, we know fools are never in short supply.... The Tribes knew it.

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