#987984 - 04/13/18 04:43 PM
Re: No Skokomish River this year?
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King of the Beach
Registered: 12/11/02
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Loc: Carkeek Park
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I’m native....to Washington. I look like it too. Break out the trebles. SF
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#988005 - 04/14/18 02:51 PM
Re: No Skokomish River this year?
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Three Time Spawner
Registered: 06/03/06
Posts: 1534
Loc: Tacoma
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From the Bremerton Sun>>> "Skokomish Tribal Chairman Charles "Guy" Miller said Friday there was "brief" discussion of the Skokomish closure during the salmon meetings but the tribes did not offer to reopen recreational fishing on the river. Miller said no further negotiations have been arranged with the state. Skokomish representatives are open to discussing solutions with recreational fishing groups and Fish and Wildlife officials, he added. "We're certainly willing to meet," Miller said. Skokomish Tribal Chairman Charles "Guy" Miller said Friday there was "brief" discussion of the Skokomish closure during the salmon meetings but the tribes did not offer to reopen recreational fishing on the river. Miller said no further negotiations have been arranged with the state. Skokomish representatives are open to discussing solutions with recreational fishing groups and Fish and Wildlife officials, he added. "We're certainly willing to meet," Miller said. " This is exactly why we need to get into those meetings. So did the state push the issue, or is he lying. kitsap sun
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#988007 - 04/14/18 03:58 PM
Re: No Skokomish River this year?
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Juvenile at Sea
Registered: 01/03/17
Posts: 155
Loc: Hood Canal
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Well stated, Krijack...but just one more addition to a long list of examples of WDFW BOHICA: "Bend Over--Here It Comes Again."
They say one thing, then do another...and the only way any credibility will result is via your crystal clear conclusion!
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#988030 - 04/15/18 01:17 PM
Re: No Skokomish River this year?
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River Nutrients
Registered: 11/21/07
Posts: 7436
Loc: Olema,California,Planet Earth
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Can't move the HC fish out of basin without jumping through tons of hoops, including co-manager approval.
You can. though, move the money to support more production...
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#988045 - 04/15/18 09:22 PM
Re: No Skokomish River this year?
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Three Time Spawner
Registered: 06/03/06
Posts: 1534
Loc: Tacoma
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I don't think there is anyone out there, including the Tribe, that has studied the issue that thinks that the Tribe's claim to the river is above questionable. The tribe will never just agree they don't own it, but at the same time do not want to get the claim in front of a judge.
It is looking to me that the State solves a few things by doing nothing. One, they get the Tribe to "like them more"; Two, they do not have to address the issue of snagging or have to actually police the fishery; They do not have to tick off the masses by resetting the fishery into something other than a snag fishery. and lastly, they can just sit on their butts and do nothing, which, in government, is the preferred approach.
From what was told to me by a staff member and what seems to be hinted to by the Tribe (Charles Miller), is that the fishery could be easily opened if the state would just reign it in a bit. But in doing so, the state would have to take responsibility for making new rules and enforcing them. That seems to be much harder for them then to just point the finger at the Tribe and do nothing. Given the time, my goal will be to convince them otherwise. I am giving Mr. Warren a few days to come out with something, but after that the phone will start ringing, and hopefully, some political pressure can be put on the department. More and more I am convinced this is almost all on the Department and their reluctance to actually do anything.
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#988050 - 04/16/18 07:05 AM
Re: No Skokomish River this year?
[Re: Krijack]
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River Nutrients
Registered: 11/21/07
Posts: 7436
Loc: Olema,California,Planet Earth
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You may have hit the nail squarely on the need for WDFW to clean up the fishery. Kind of odd, that the Skoks can legally snag. I remember, a long time ago, when WDF had a few places close to hatcheries where snagging was legal and in the regs. Those fish are there to be moved.
From experience with chum, requiring single circle hooks would significantly reduce snagging. Release of a snagged fish often required just giving them slack. It would make enforcement easy. Non-circle is a citation. No intent needed, no need to watch them fish, just check the gear.
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#988058 - 04/16/18 09:32 AM
Re: No Skokomish River this year?
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Repeat Spawner
Registered: 10/26/12
Posts: 1075
Loc: Graham, WA
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I am giving Mr. Warren a few days to come out with something, but after that the phone will start ringing, and hopefully, some political pressure can be put on the department. More and more I am convinced this is almost all on the Department and their reluctance to actually do anything. Mr. Warren nor anyone else could gives a rat's as$ about phone calls or emails or any communications from the recreational stakeholders. We presented thousands of emails, signatures and hundreds of calls and all we got was the finger! There were discussions with the Skokomish on opening the river, but they were not done officially, since that may have gotten to the commission and then to the public. They were done in "secret" using "select" members of the fish mafia and involved a "deal" for more concessions like Baker lake eyed eggs being increased to the tribe, and other concessions. From what I heard, the demands just kept coming, more and more until the talks broke down. The tribes have the power over WDFW and that is primarily because of two people. One who is in a management role and the other in the AG's office. Combined they are doing the tribes bidding through secret deals and lack of spine. If you guys only knew about how much crap is being done under the table, by not only the WDFW, but by individuals in the fish mafia and in various groups you would be floored. The recreational community is being taken to the shed because there is a prevailing attitude that we are just a bunch of dumb, ignorant snaggers who cannot and will not organize and therefor are very easily manipulated and ignored no matter how much we may think otherwise. Trust me, those who you think are representing you, are only representing their own prestige and position since they are in the "good ol boys" club and they sure like it there because it strokes their ego.
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#988065 - 04/16/18 10:46 AM
Re: No Skokomish River this year?
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Juvenile at Sea
Registered: 01/03/17
Posts: 155
Loc: Hood Canal
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What does it take to compel a public servant to come forth in an honest and sincere manner? Given the present scenario at the federal level, it seems to me that the general lack of truth and integrity has trickled down to all levels.
When I was brought up, I learned that your word was your bond...and that commitment was a direct reflection of your personal character. There are many individuals on this blog that both share and exhibit those points-of-view.
There are WDFW management personnel who have followed a different path, plain and simple...and all the plenary meetings and calls for unity and harmony you collectively muster won't amount to a hill of $h*t until they commit to the greater good for all parties involve--not just themselves.
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#988142 - 04/18/18 11:45 AM
Re: No Skokomish River this year?
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River Nutrients
Registered: 01/17/04
Posts: 3742
Loc: Sheltona Beach
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This officially ticks me off. There is no excuse for the department to state they are continuing to "work with the tribe"...
I know most of you hate this fishery anyways, but the potential of what it could be should be considered. There is no reason it should open with the same regulations as the past. Regardless what happens, a clear opportunity for a reset is present. I talked to a tribal friend, former neighbor. He echoed that the State needed to make this a less hostile environment before a fishery could resume. I believe this is the point WDFW needs to address in a days of the week regulation or whatever to minimize gear conflict.
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#988144 - 04/18/18 12:19 PM
Re: No Skokomish River this year?
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The Chosen One
Registered: 02/09/00
Posts: 14486
Loc: Tuleville
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I miss fishing the Skok. I miss the peace, quiet, and tranquility of the river...... And most of all, I miss my ladder. I will say that the kings were of high quality and very tasty. BTW, your girlfriend says "Hi", Coop. Oh, and Vhawk says "Hi" to you all too!
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#988145 - 04/18/18 12:24 PM
Re: No Skokomish River this year?
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Dick Nipples
Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 28170
Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
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I 100% fully support a year round sportfishery on the Skokomish, because it would keep anyone who thinks that looks like fun from ever being on a river near me, pretty Chinook or not.
And...that's the "nice" part of the river. Get some pics along the cutoff road and you will see the "real" Skokomish Chinook fishery.
Fish on...
Todd
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#988147 - 04/18/18 12:39 PM
Re: No Skokomish River this year?
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Dick Nipples
Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 28170
Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
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Apparently I have grown a bit more accepting of the clown shows, if not only to use them to keep the clowns somewhere other than where I am...anyone remember this rant from 11 years ago? http://www.piscatorialpursuits.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/368686/1.htmlThere are a bunch of dudes on that thread that I miss...it's been a long time since I have seen hide nor hair of them, and a couple of them are no longer with us. Fish on... Todd
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#988148 - 04/18/18 12:51 PM
Re: No Skokomish River this year?
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The Chosen One
Registered: 02/09/00
Posts: 14486
Loc: Tuleville
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That was an awesome thread! Still don't know why JG shut that one down. Hell, I think I'm going to open it back up. I move we open that thread back up. I say we keep it going. Mob rules. Any seconds on this motion? Personally liked the Stam/Todd fights. Unfortunately, I don't think they hate each other these days. And Sol is gone, along with most of the fun people in that thread. Bummer. Maybe it should just stay locked and buried...along with all the other turds on the Skok.
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#988149 - 04/18/18 01:07 PM
Re: No Skokomish River this year?
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Three Time Spawner
Registered: 06/03/06
Posts: 1534
Loc: Tacoma
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One of the last times I visited the river was for the limited Float/bait only fishery. There was almost no one on the river. A complete reset with these type of restrictions are what the department needs to do and what I think the tribe is holding out for. I am starting to think the department doesn't want the old fishery, but does not have the guts to upset the snagging masses. There is nothing inherently wrong with the river, just the mentality. The department has an excellent opportunity to change that.
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#988151 - 04/18/18 02:45 PM
Re: No Skokomish River this year?
[Re: Krijack]
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Dick Nipples
Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 28170
Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
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One of the last times I visited the river was for the limited Float/bait only fishery. There was almost no one on the river. A complete reset with these type of restrictions are what the department needs to do and what I think the tribe is holding out for. I am starting to think the department doesn't want the old fishery, but does not have the guts to upset the snagging masses. There is nothing inherently wrong with the river, just the mentality. The department has an excellent opportunity to change that. I agree...and the snaggers may be surprised to find that they can actually catch fish, if they try. Fish on... Todd P.S. I don't think there's much to add to that thread, Paker, but I am glad I was able to find it and give it a quick read. The good ol' days
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#988153 - 04/18/18 03:22 PM
Re: No Skokomish River this year?
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River Nutrients
Registered: 01/17/04
Posts: 3742
Loc: Sheltona Beach
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IMHO Harvest Management at WDFW is to busy jerking off over the numbers of fishes. They are ill equipped to deviate from the former fisheries mindset. Time for Staff to move on...
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