Well slap me on the @ss and call me Judy!

Native,that's some damn nice arithimetic you been doin'. I checked your 2000 numbers, pretty close, for the most part, but lets throw in some specifics, shall we? Lets, Soos hatchery had a return of 5682, the dept of mis-management estimated the "Minimum" spawning goal for the Green at give or take a 100, @ 8600. That's hatchery and wild Chinook combined. So being the gullable guy I am, I'm left to assume an additional 3000 wild fish made it to spawn naturally? Hell, I'm still going to play,( I'm not even going to touch in on the 50/50 issue.), Assuming all these numbers are correct, Minimum spawn goals "Maybe" were met. "Minimum and Maybe", Now that's just great! There shouldn't be any problem with the health of the greens Fishery with that philosophy. Question: Why was it closed to sport fishing? And no I did not fish during closures, any of them, ever. Nor do I ever fish the creek with the "Sport snaggers" and their 1oz lead and 8 inch leaders (lure optional). My observations come from having lived within 10 minutes of the Green my entire life, presently 5; So spit out the numbers however skewed they may be, I see the reality first hand.

How many steelhead have made it to the hatchery this year?.........10 so far.

I'm not going to continue with the number game....its not accurate, unreliable, bias, and uses unscientific data. I will however make one last point. 23 out of 25 puget sound chinook stocks according to the WDFW were projected to fail to meet the "Minimum" spawning goals.

That's nothing short of sad.