Streamer, you know damn well that your anti-abortion arguments are convincing only to like minded individuals as yourself. 65 - 80% of the country disagrees with you (the variation depending on when surveys were taken).

Please read more closely; I said "the majority of the pardons . . ."

Per J6, if you're convicted or plead out, you're a criminal. No, not all are felons, but many are.

As for the applicability of the 14th A, I guess we'll let the courts sort it out. I've not seen a ruling that one or both parents must be in the country legally, but that would be logical.

I over-reacted on scumbag level. Putin and Un are worse than Trump - so far. So I'll retract and say that Trump is only the most despicable POS in the U.S.

Krijack, in a perfect world we wouldn't have any laws interceding with anyone's activities. But, alas, the world we have is the world we get. A liberal society understands that rules and laws are necessary both for orderly co-existance and so that some members don't misuse their freedom to adversely affect their neighbors. Are you suggesting that plastic bags and straws are good for the environment, you know, that environment everyone depends on? Yeah, those would seem like over reach, except so many cretins are degenerate azzholes, they have to be steered in a direction that doesn't adversely affect everyone else. (Elect me as your illiberal dictator and littering would be a capital offense, punishable on the spot.) Since ag is and has for a long while been a factory industry and not small family farms, yes, there needs to be rules for raising chickens and other livestock I suppose. How the masses are fed affects society. Seatbelt laws (and motorcycle helmets) are so society at large doesn't end up paying for the perpetual care of victims of the careless. I'd rather have the seatbelt law than to pay for care of the injured. Call it a self defense law. If society only got stuck with the cost of shoveling up splattered remains, I'd be fine with that. Liberal enough for you?