I agree with you stlhdr1. All of his posts are either educating and funny or both. there are a bunch of guys that belong to both places including the Rpetzold guy that doesn't want ifish stuff on his board here. Now that is stupid. Why try to part these places instead of bringing more fishermen together? and those nazis on ifish don't have the level of intellect of Rt and he makes them look rediculose. He even made a couple lawyers look weak in debates on there. everyithing he said in that long rant here is right on the money. I know. Im a member of ifish to. Now Im staking off for the Nehalem and try to catch a fish and I'll use some of Rt suggestions to improve the odds. Frog