It sure does seem like the people who don't want to talk about the zlip like to dangle them,just can't quit fishing,huh I do have to say that v hooks compete with G hooks,the biggest thing in their favor I see is that they sharpen up better.I still think that it has more to do with knowing how the fish think than the gear.I have had too many kids with dull hooks and stinky bait out fish me!