Really I think that this has been one of the more well mannered debates on this subject. It's a topic of concern for many, and I see no reason why it shouldn't be debated. Everyone looks for that one answer that will strike a divine balance between two sides, but at the same time we're scared to talk about it. How can we ever expect to find the answers to problems if their very subjects are considered taboo on the forum? Apathy has become a major issue of the times, everyone complains about fish and wildlife, but only half the people write letters or attend meetings. People complain about the president, but only half of them voted. I think Bob has created a golden opportunity through this board, just making people aware of the issues is half the battle, and this is a perfect environment for debate, some of which will hopefully lead to actions and an eventual change for the better.