I will say that in court, the kind of childish crap that I am objecting to here would simply not be allowed.

So says Ramon.....Childish crap? This ISN"T a court room thank goodness. This is an internet chat bulletin board and we are not under your cross examination and we won't be sentenced to WT prison for pissing you off if we vehemently object to your party line talking points. We are voicing opinions...feelings...we are not destifying.

The 67% or so of us who object seem to be all saying the same thing over and over..We don't agree with your tactics. Your agenda is real narrow in a large complex ESA driven problem.