There you go again making a blatant misrepresentation, I'll leave open the possibility that you are not intentionally lying but that you may have just misinterpreted what you read...something we are all guilty of from time to time.

I have never, nor would I ever, admit to lying on this or any other BB for the simple reason that I have not ever done so. I have been wrong before, if that is what you referring to...and yeah, I've admitted that. Which is more than I can remember you ever having done...

The first stone in this thread was cast in the polled question itself....the only reason I am making my voice heard here is because I've been in Ramon's shoes and faced the exact same kinds of assaults from the exact same characters, those that have been around long enough know that to be true. I think its unfair and I would like it known that if nothing else SOME PEOPLE NOTICE.

Do I really have to go back through each of your posts on this thread to quote the insinuations, mischaracterizations, hyperbole, attacks, question dodging etcetera? My feeling is that they are quite plain for all to see, at least to anyone that has any inkling what the term 'fair debate' means.

My last and final word in this thread? Is it still a 'special interest group' if a full thirty percent (whoops, thirty three percent ) of those polled support WT and their 'agenda'