OK 30%ers I will admit to you and Ramon that ,even though unintended, I did step over the line bringing up tactics of some other extreme environmental groups making it personal to Ramon. Not my deal at all. I guess I prefer being accused of "baiting" more than accusing someone of illegal acts I am quite sure they do not and will not contemplate or try. Lots of posts on this board piss people off and are taken personally and that will continue I suppose. Labelling people will also continue.

What is so difficult to understand about opposing the methods used by WT>? I don't think that if you oppose the extreme tactics that automatically makes you someone who could care less about wild fish and someone who could care less about the harmful hatchery practices that need to be changed. We're not against buffer zones around streams and habitat restoration. The list of agreement is lots longer than the list of points of disagreement. For every emotive statement I make the 30%ers usually fire back a volley of their own emotive insults or personal attacks. I am not going to go in the closet and pout and refuse to engage. Reasonable debates are much easier face to face than on the chat room.