Funny you mention that these designs that I have have been tested all over the US and by some of the most experinced in the whitewater field. Not to mention the US forest service relies on our expertise to produce boats for them and other goverment offices.

So you claim my designs could be better how would you know have you been on one of my boats? Or is this because you are a self proclaimed expert?

Most people that claim they are experts are can back it up can you make your own frames?
Can you make your own tubes ?

I can do all of the above all though I choose to outsource my tubes now.

Theres those of us that wsh we could have and those that did.