I've taken a #5 vibrex spinner and cut the hook off and tied on an 18" leader with cutplug flylined 50 - 100ft behind the boat. KILLER STRIKES on that setup. thumbs (Just the vibrex alone works very well also). Also small spoons trolled by themselves 15' down when the humpies are in thick. Have'nt caught a single humpie on white flasher and pink squid yet! Always on silver and king gear. confused