HLA…is that something that the FTC has developed as a plan?
Can I
make a couple of comments on that one Steve?
Thanks Steve for your quick reply. That's something that most federal or
state employees usually don't do. Yes, you are right, unless something
has changed by the actions that CFM and the others have taken legally,
we are surely screwed as sport fishermen!
You say……
That process was not originally in the settlement agreement, but
it was added to the license
My question to you is….why didn't
you or your agency or any other state agency that was involved in this
process make damn sure that those kind of issues were addressed in the
final agreement? What was the failure there? It sounds like everybody
had years to make up their minds before they signed the agreement.
You said to me.....
I would think you would deem that a good thing.
You're correct, but it only appears to have happend because of a couple
of watch-dog groups like FOC and CPR, who have forced the "agencies" into
doing do it now! What is wrong with you guys not doing that your selves?
Why was it FOC or CPR? Boy, does that paint a beautiful picture for us
new guys when it comes to making public comment ! What the heck is wrong
with the agencies Steve? Are they really that incompetent that they
can't do what those watchdogs groups have done? Is this how all fishery
decisions are now being made?
You're now telling me that.....
If your ideas are both good AND consistent with the license and
represent a majority of public input, then your ideas have a good chance
of being added to the plan.
What that tells the ordinary fishermen Steve is… if you agree with what
we have decided is best for you, and you accept all of our comments, and
you don't disagree with our self proclaimed plan…..your in! Am I reading
it wrong again?
I can't help myself Steve…. you say...
The PIP is a means of communicating with the public about the
project’s license implementation. You can comment on the draft fishery
and hatchery management plan. If your ideas are 'both good AND
consistent with the license' and represent a majority of public input,
then your ideas have a good chance of being added to the plan
I still can't understand it Steve! Help me out here good buddy! If we
can't change what the agencies have already decided to do, are we
supposed to feel "good" as sportfishermen because we write a few
comments that go no where? Why would we even bother to comment? Does it
make us feel like we showed you guys who is the boss?
....I get it now! Maybe that was point in the first place.
If you want to change the settlement agreement or the license
articles, then you’re late.
Didn't Old Tricky Dick kind of have
the same mind set about Water Gate? Come to think of it….he was
the top of the line when it came to federal bureaucrats wasn't he?
I guess government people never ever learn
do they?
It appears you’re trying to identify a contradiction between the
FTC minutes and my suggestion that you review and comment on the draft
F&HMP. I don’t see the contradiction
That may apply to someone else, but
how does that apply to the person that can read English and comprehend
what was said in those FCT minutes?
Steve, your'e starting to make me laugh really hard now
Comments on this draft plan are a way for the public to
influence future fish and hatchery management on the Cowlitz, BUT that
influence is confined to operating within the terms and conditions set
forth in the settlement agreement and license.
Now didn't you just say…….
BUT that influence is confined to operating within the terms and
conditions set forth in the settlement agreement and license. Hence, you
wont be able to “sway” the settlement agreement or license, as its
already finished…If you want to change the settlement agreement or the
license articles, then you're late….. So you believe you were screwed by
the FTC because they were examining ideas to develop a public
involvement process? 'That process was not originally in the settlement
agreement'
I repeat...you said….
Comments on this draft plan are a way for the public to
influence future fish and hatchery management on the Cowlitz, BUT that
influence is confined to operating within the terms and conditions set
forth in the settlement agreement and license. Hence, you wont be able
to “sway” the settlement agreement or license, as it’s already
finished
Hello !!!!!!
Steve one more time
More to the point, what is it that you want that you are not
getting, that Tacoma, or somebody, is required to give you?
It's called the truth! The whole truth about how the agencies have tried
to pull the wool over the sportfishermens eye to say as "Mr.Bill said"
to …
try to prevent getting “beat up” as the license is implemented.
Steve, I am almost done. But I have one more for you!
In the legal system, we call it the "truth and nothing but the truth".
That's all we want to know. It appears that between you and CFM, it is
finally coming out….be it 3 or 4 years late.
Thanks Steve for putting up with so many of my questions and quotes. As
CFM has stated before, it was not you that signed the
settlement, it was the agency whom you represent.
P.S: I heard Bill left the FTC because he no longer works for TU
I guess we can all understand why he no longer works there….it's called
"damage control" in most groups. I guess TU got what they paid for!
Hairlip
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