Phish Phreak - You bet, this is America and everyone is entitled to their opinion - even when it is wrong. Let's break it down. Posting a news story about Bill Clinton statements in 1998 is germane to the present discussion how??? How far back do we go? Can we post statements by George HW Bush about how it would be a disaster to invade Iraq and call them germane? Here is where I see the current administration has lied about Iraq. In February of 2003 Don Rumsfeld stated on Meet the Press - "We know Sadaam has WMD, we know where they are." He didn't say Intellegence tells us, or We have good reason to believe, he said WE KNOW. Now, we haven't found the WMD (and probably never will) so what do you call Rummy's statement? I call it a lie because it has proven to be false. You may call it a mistake - either way, GW's administration has sent American troops into harm's way on a basis that has proven to be wrong. Now, of course, this has become a "War of Liberation" for the Iraqi people. Nice spin. I believe that GW's actions have led to a less secure United States. In the America that I love, we get to have these discussions, that is the meaning of freedom.

You say that Clinton was found guilty, no question about it. Technically speaking, he was not found guilty. Impeachment is the bringing of charges, the Senate then finds guilt or innocence. In the case of Clinton, they did not convict and therefore Clinton was never found guilty. I know, a pretty fine technical point, but the truth nonetheless.

I love the double standard on the right. It was fine and dandy to smear the CIC for 8 years when it was Clinton (remember Vince Foster, Whitewater, Travelgate, Filegate, Troopergate, yada,yada, yada), but when GW is held up to the same standard - Oh my G*d, we are being UnAmerican.

I try to make my decisions based upon facts, not ideology. In my mind, the facts are clear, GW lied (or he sanctioned lies from his administration) and he has caused material harm to our Country. Guilty? I don't want to put the country through an Impeachment process when we have elections coming up in less than 6 months. So GW will not be found guilty, I pray that he finds himself retired come January 2005.
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