I'd be willing to bet you the manure delivered is the what they cleaned up after Bush stepped in it........about three seconds after the idea of trumping up a war against Iraq sounded like a swell idea.

Eddie-

These people have blinders on. The points you and I are making are grounded in humanism. The ones 'they' are making are grounded in nationalism. In the past when nations have latched onto either to fervorously, there have been mistakes made.

Consistently the US has gotten into trouble when discretion has given way to pride and valor.

In human terms, Bill Clinton's lie may have cost some reputations and careers but it certainly didn't throw us into a protracted, extremely ill-advised, morally reprehensible conflict in which thousands of lives were lost. Even if Bush did not technically lie, which is arguable, his reliance on bad intelligence has led us down a path that has stained our reputation throughout the world and made the world a lot more dangerous to live.

History will be the ultimate judge of course but in my mind this argument is a no brainer.

Clinton lied about receiving oral sex.

Bush relied on faulty, refuted evidence to convince this country to plunge itself into war.

Which mistake has more far-reaching implications? Which mistake has endangered American security? Which mistake has detracted from our prosecution of the war on terror we are supposed to be engaged in?

Pure and simple, this country has got to get back to the middle, no matter how it gets there.