I worked for the USGS and the Earth and Space Science, and Oceanography departments at the UW. I worked very closely with many scientists from many diffferent economic social and political backgrounds on a daily basis. These are the people who are experts on your local rivers, fisheries, ocean, air, etc and they All expressed their unsolicited extreme displeasure for Bush's environmental policies, and his contempt for science in general.

I am sure there are fish experts here, and Im sure people like Phish are eager to ignore them or discount what they say as liberal propaganda to "put dumbya in a bad light"."

Chives ,

These scientist do not have to balance the needs of the majority with those of the minority. So they can have a idealistic view and preach from up on high from an ivory tower. The scientist think the avg. person would be better of with wild fish. When in reality the Avg. person could care less. There is more to this country than the NW. It is proven by the population exansion and the lifestyles of the avg. person here and everywhere. People are children they think they can have it both ways.

I bet all the people ,roads, homes, business' and industries on the west coast have killed more fish and will continue to kill more fish than any Bush backed environmental policy?

How many of these bear your foot print either directly or indirectly Chives?

How many of these scientist have purchased and set asaide5 acres of riparian habitat ? How about you? Nothing like walking the talk.
How many of these scientist do not use electricity or take a dump in a toilet that uses water? More walking the talk.

Me personally. I have over 5 acres set aside on a class III stream. Completely restored the riparian habitat with my own two hands. I would like to see all development on any river system removed regardless of impact on society. I would like to meet a few scientist 's that walk thier talk and not expect others to do what they themselves do not do.