Jerry,

You go out and find one time where I've said that habitat is the limiting factor in the Chehalis system, and I'll buy you a beer.

When you instead find the numerous times that I've said the Quinault Tribal netting is the proximate cause of declines in the Chehalis system, especially late coho and winter steelhead, you will then apologize and buy me a beer.

It will take even less time to research than all the other stuff you haven't researched...shouldn't take you more than ten or fifteen minutes, max..and, if you think the CCA will change that one bit, then I have a bridge to sell you, too...

Jim, I hope you are right about the leadership behind the scenes at the CCA...I know there are some really good folks involved there. What they really need to do is either get their ignorant self-appointed new experts on the internet to stop sharing their ignorance with the world, or take them aside and give them a little of the education that they've gathered up over the decades.

Either way, the distinct level of ignorance shown by the '$25 experts' on the various BB's is what will be shared by those 'experts' at Commission meetings, where they won't be doing anyone or anything any favors, including the CCA, other organizations, sportfishing in general, or the fish.

Credibility is how you get managers to listen...not knowing what you are talking about not only destroys any credibility you may have had, but hurts the credibility of the rest of the fish and fishing advocates, too. We have enough trouble as it is without having to waste time and resources requesting that the policymakers ignore what others are saying on our behalf so that we can actually get down to business.

Fish on...

Todd

P.S. Another note for the new experts...almost all of the work I do for the organizations I belong to now centers on battling Oregon, Washington, and the feds over the archaic and destructive lower Columbia River gillnet fishery, fighting to have its impacts reduced more and more each year, while hoping eventually to just have it eliminated.

When I worked at the State a good portion of my work centered on taking the licenses away from commercial fishers who either played loose with the rules or failed to fulfill the necessary qualifications to participate.

Many of the "new experts" seem to think that I must be a commercial fishing advocate because I keep insisting that they stop bashing where it's not called for...what I am is an advocate for the truth, and the bending, twisting, and outright fabrication of the truth by those "new experts" is just one more obstacle that sportfishing advocates have to overcome to get meaningful work done.