Keith, trying to say gillnets haven't devastated wild winter steelhead is way off base. Tell me of a lower CR tributary that has a wild run over a few thousand. Also you stated that we catch one in eight hatchery spring chinook. You have contradicted yourself and I will explain why. When discussing run prediction numbers made by the state you said returns always fall below the pre season forecast. I agree with you on that point. If you don't believe state fish math, which I don't either, then why would you use the states estimated sport catch statistics to come up with your 1 in 8 are caught by us? Dude we all know by now that the way state agencies count our catch is a seriously skewed formula that screws us every year. Have you ever seen the formula for estimating sport catch? It is a bad joke. Sounds like eyefish should have rolled out with you rather than LUND below bonnie last year.