I guess I have ruffled some feathers....Dick thanks for the support.

Bob in response to your reply. I must add some more to mine and your post.

1) I enjoy your pictures and realise that most of the people in those pictures are not you holding the fish. I also know how difficult it is to hold one by the tail when they flop if your not use to handling fish.

2)I agree on the first part about gill rakers. Now on the second part concerning the bait divers. Bait divers can be hell on down river fish so I must agree in part. Now if the bait diver is used where it is legal to use it....change the rules or so the practice is stopped. The guide did nothing wrong in his use of it!!! But if I recall correctly I read you say you used the pink worm behind a bait diver. Also if I am not mistaken you fish primarily in areas where it would be illegal to use bait in the first place let alone on a diver.

3).....agreed

4)Possible when all goes right.

5)Yes I know fish spawn in the Quillayute!! Bob did you know the majority of the fish that spawn are in the upper reaches of the river?? So where do you feel fish lay that would be considered spawner water. Tailouts and soft water would be my answer. Now which method is used exclusively in such types of water?.....Plugs and Bait Divers. Would you include plugs in your ban or just divers?

All types of tackle have a impact on fish even the dry fly!!! If you fish you have a impact, it just can't be avoided. Sure it can be minimized by using different tackle, fishing different water, fishing different styles.

It is impossible to not fish some spawning ground if you include the entire river. So lets minimize the effect on the majority of spawning water. Using that logic the spawning fish that need to be protected are in the lower river, since there are fewer spawners down low. Lets rotate the closure areas every year on the river, so all portions get a chance to revitalize.

On the hoh the majority of the fish spawn above oxbow.....shut down the upper river

On the soleduc the majority spawn above Witcomb Dimmel.....shut it down

Clawah shut it down above 101
Bogey shut it down above the hatchery

6)agreed

Dan
I am not buying your fitness answer.
Go outside and run "panic" wind sprints until you can't run anymore. Then let me know how you do holding your breath.

Secondly...I take it your not a guide. We have had this argument before over whos fish these are. I am with you saying the guide usually catches the fish. The guides look at it differently....clients fish. So from a guides point of view its the client who would be using bait divers.

Well I have fishing to do tomorrow in Forks....maybe I will see Bob at P&S.



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