I'll agree to agree!

I never meant to communicate that I don't think that the pinniped population is a problem and a big one, currently. I also haven't heard anyone - fishing citizen, tribe, agency - say otherwise. The hard part is not agree that they are a problem, it's getting around existing federal laws. They have made some, small in-roads in the lower Columbia and now the lower Willamette Rivers on removal programs, but not at all on the scale that I seen proposed here.

I do think Carcassman's contextual comments are important here, however. Puget sound pinnipeds likely are the current, biggest consumer of the remnant (10%) PS salmon. I't would be harder to convince me that they are the cause of the current status.

Anyway, back to your regular programming.....sounds like there were some positive outcomes of the "open" co-manager plenary session. Have not seen any response from the Resident "Open the Meetings!" guy yet, understanding that this wasn't an open NOF negotiation meeting?