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#1022268 - 02/13/20 07:52 PM rumor
steely slammer Offline
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just heard that the Chehalis and tribs to close sunday.. anyone else hear this?
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#1022270 - 02/13/20 08:10 PM Re: rumor [Re: steely slammer]
Streamer Offline
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Registered: 11/08/06
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Loc: T-Town, Wa
Iíve heard the same. From angler reports Iím hearing there is a decent number of fish in the system. I wonder if it truly is lack of fish driving this.

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#1022273 - 02/13/20 08:41 PM Re: rumor [Re: steely slammer]
DrifterWA Offline
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Well I heard March 15th, around the middle, a couple of weeks earlier than the normal closing.


Not sure whats driving this early closure......been wondering every since the QIN shut their season down...........
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#1022281 - 02/13/20 10:00 PM Re: rumor [Re: steely slammer]
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Not just a rumor. Itís the REAL deal.
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#1022283 - 02/13/20 10:03 PM Re: rumor [Re: steely slammer]
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Dropping the e-reg tomorrow.
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#1022288 - 02/14/20 04:06 AM Re: rumor [Re: steely slammer]
Chum Man Offline
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Loc: Rainier
Hatchery escapement seems to be at least tracking with last year(in the skookumchuck the counts are 6 times what they were last year at this time), so what gives? Itís not exactly like the sport guys have been hammering on the fish with all the high water weíve had.

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#1022289 - 02/14/20 04:41 AM Re: rumor [Re: steely slammer]
steely slammer Offline
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Quins run the show!!! wdfw does what they are told!!
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#1022290 - 02/14/20 05:55 AM Re: rumor [Re: steely slammer]
MetalheadMatt Offline
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Wild escapement is 2k below needed escapement, Hatchery fish tracking well. So no wild impacts to spare. Sunday is last day to fish for entire basin, and tribs

On a second thought if wilds are not meeting objectives, why does TPU truck them above dam for release, their prodegy will never Help the system. They need to truck the clipped fish back down river and let wild go, above trap or in a lower river trib.


Edited by MetalheadMatt (02/14/20 05:57 AM)

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#1022294 - 02/14/20 08:09 AM Re: rumor [Re: steely slammer]
fish4brains Offline
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Loc: zipper
Originally Posted By: steely slammer
Quins run the show!!! wdfw does what they are told!!


At this point, I trust the Q's fishery management and decisions far more then WDFW. WDFW has missed the mark so often, and has proven to be so corrupt that I don't even know how some of you can sit in a room with them. Pure corruption and deceit.
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#1022298 - 02/14/20 09:22 AM Re: rumor [Re: steely slammer]
deerlick Offline
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Registered: 12/30/08
Posts: 581
Loc: around
So they doing spawner surveys prespawn in blown out water. Weve seen alot more wild fish this year to this point than i can remember.


Edited by deerlick (02/14/20 09:23 AM)

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#1022303 - 02/14/20 10:40 AM Re: rumor [Re: steely slammer]
Carcassman Offline
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Registered: 11/21/07
Posts: 5925
Loc: Olema,California,Planet Earth
With steelhead, spawner surveys are to count redds. Even when there are fish in the stream, something less than 10% are seen. This is based on weekly surveys on known numbers of fish. So, they will count redds.

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#1022304 - 02/14/20 10:47 AM Re: rumor [Re: steely slammer]
Lifter99 Offline
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Registered: 12/01/18
Posts: 130
How does WDFW really know now what wild fish return is? It is only Feb 14 and a lot of wilds haven't even entered the rivers yet. They will be returning all the way into April. I know in one well known Chehalis trib that the wild return (and hatchery return) is more than at this time last season. This kind of smells like the QIN has something to do with this. Another possible explanation is that with the added higher hatchery plants in the Wynooche (winter steelhead) because of mitigation maybe the state wants more hatchery fish to get back for brood. There are plans also to plant more hatchery steelhead in the Satsop.

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#1022305 - 02/14/20 10:54 AM Re: rumor [Re: steely slammer]
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The point is that the quin's didn't get to fish with the high water, when all of the hatchery fish showed up, now they are on the states @ss about a rec closure.

We didn't get to fish in the high water either.

I highly doubt WdFw could get accurate redd counts with the spike of high water we have had most of the season so far.


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#1022306 - 02/14/20 11:10 AM Re: rumor [Re: steely slammer]
jgreen Offline
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Registered: 04/18/12
Posts: 261
Loc: Elma, WA
Apparently because of the high water, the tribe lost net days. Thatís why they are shutting down sport fishing. This isnít some anti tribal BS either. Thatís from the horses mouth. That is if WDFW officers are apart of the horse. So we donít get foregone opportunity like they do? Thatís about right.

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#1022307 - 02/14/20 11:25 AM Re: rumor [Re: steely slammer]
Evo Offline
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#1022309 - 02/14/20 11:37 AM Re: rumor [Re: steely slammer]
Lifter99 Offline
Juvenile at Sea

Registered: 12/01/18
Posts: 130
Interesting that the Humptulips is not included in the closure. Is the Hump somehow getting a larger return of fish this year because Hump fish are able to amazingly avoid the bad ocean conditions. Is the QIN still netting the Hump? HHHMMMMM. This smells kind of "fishy".

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#1022312 - 02/14/20 11:52 AM Re: rumor [Re: steely slammer]
SpoonFed Offline
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Registered: 01/29/19
Posts: 1317
With projected numbers like that, why tease us with a season?

It's either we have numbers to sustain a fishery or not.

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#1022370 - 02/15/20 06:52 PM Re: rumor [Re: Lifter99]
Salmo g. Offline
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Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 12970
Originally Posted By: Lifter99
How does WDFW really know now what wild fish return is? It is only Feb 14 and a lot of wilds haven't even entered the rivers yet. They will be returning all the way into April. I know in one well known Chehalis trib that the wild return (and hatchery return) is more than at this time last season. This kind of smells like the QIN has something to do with this. Another possible explanation is that with the added higher hatchery plants in the Wynooche (winter steelhead) because of mitigation maybe the state wants more hatchery fish to get back for brood. There are plans also to plant more hatchery steelhead in the Satsop.


WDFW won't know what this year's return of wild fish is until after they spawn and spawning survey data is analyzed. This closure is based on the pre-season runsize forecast for the wild run, a number they have known for awhile. The decision to close now is likely based on that fact, and well, of course whatever the Quinault Tribe told them to do.

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#1022372 - 02/15/20 07:04 PM Re: rumor [Re: steely slammer]
Carcassman Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 11/21/07
Posts: 5925
Loc: Olema,California,Planet Earth
If they knew the run was coming back that low why was the fishery even opened? They don't do in-season updates. Have to let QIN fish?

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#1022373 - 02/15/20 07:07 PM Re: rumor [Re: steely slammer]
Lifter99 Offline
Juvenile at Sea

Registered: 12/01/18
Posts: 130
Thank you Salmo. If WDFW forecasted a low run of wild fish, maybe they could have imlemented selective gear rules (Barbless hooks, bait ban, no scent) and maybe a one hatchery fish limit from the beginning of the season. This could have lessened the impact on wild fish and allowed for a longer sport season. But the QIN could have put an end to it anyway. If we don't fish, you don't fish.

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