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#1034423 - 07/13/20 03:00 PM Parking lot closed due to ....high demand??
ned Offline
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Registered: 06/09/07
Posts: 632
Loc: MA 5, 9, 10
OK, so if parking is in hi demand and short supply, why close the parking lot? Makes no sense to me.

The lighthouse beach at Point No Point is beautiful, and has high demand in these summer months. The nearby WDFW parking lot, installed at a cost approaching $4million, was just shut down from now until November because of heavy use and resulting complaints by the neighbors. The newspaper tells of 500 users at the lot per day. But neighbors complained, so because of this, they'll deny 1000 weekend users access to a park and parking lot they already paid for?

Regarding the residents...they should not have bought next door to a public facility. That was their choice. Now they complain, so they now enjoy a vacant lot next door at our expense.

Isn't the job of public officials to OPEN public access, not to shut it down??

https://www.kitsapsun.com/story/news/202...int/5406668002/

What the sam hell.

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#1034424 - 07/13/20 03:35 PM Re: Parking lot closed due to ....high demand?? [Re: ned]
Blktailhunter Offline
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How much are bolt cutters? I am sick and tired of a few whinny people ruining it for others, especially a facility paid for by us. They donít like living next to a ďlaunch rampĒ then move.

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#1034425 - 07/13/20 05:01 PM Re: Parking lot closed due to ....high demand?? [Re: ned]
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Iíll be spending a lot less time over that way this summer with this and one ferry currently running on weekends and costing over $40 per trip.
So what are the actual illegal activities?
My guess it it just people using the parking lot and some homeowners bitching about it.
Good luck over on that side of the pond this summer Blktailhunter.
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#1034428 - 07/13/20 10:33 PM Re: Parking lot closed due to ....high demand?? [Re: Blktailhunter]
Larry B Offline
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Sure wish it was a launch ramp......going on seven years and the USACE hasn't rendered a decision on the permit application submitted by WDFW to build the single lane ramp.

The critical aspect of this is that the activity generating the complaints was not that of recreational boaters (the intended primary users of the facility) but of folks headed to the County parks down the road/beach.

The County needs to recognize that and take responsibility for it maybe by providing the marine host the O&M agreement calls for.
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#1034430 - 07/13/20 11:24 PM Re: Parking lot closed due to ....high demand?? [Re: ned]
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If there's not enough parking already how do they think removing parking will solve the problem. Now all those people will just park along the road blocking said neighbor's driveways and mailboxes. Idiots!!
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#1034431 - 07/14/20 09:45 AM Re: Parking lot closed due to ....high demand?? [Re: OceanSun]
Larry B Offline
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Clearly it will not solve the parking problem. What it does is put the onus on Kitsap Co. Parks to acknowledge their responsibility for the problem and mitigate the situation. One of the big concerns expressed during the permitting process for PNP was parking which in part is why there is overflow parking on site.

A short term solution might be for Kitsap Co. to offer up a site manager to ensure that those people parking on the WEFW property do not trespass on neighbors' property.
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#1034433 - 07/14/20 11:32 AM Re: Parking lot closed due to ....high demand?? [Re: stonefish]
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Loc: Monterey CA
Originally Posted By: stonefish

So what are the actual illegal activities?
My guess it it just people using the parking lot and some homeowners bitching about it.

The reason why is. They paved paradise,and put up a parking lot crazy
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#1034445 - 07/14/20 02:00 PM Re: Parking lot closed due to ....high demand?? [Re: stonefish]
Larry B Offline
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One thing to keep in mind is the strong likelihood that the neighbors between the WDFW property and the County Lighthouse Park own tidelands.
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#1034449 - 07/14/20 04:14 PM Re: Parking lot closed due to ....high demand?? [Re: ned]
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True, it might be walking on the private tide lands is the illegal activity.

With that being said, there has always been county park overflow parking along the road just east of the WDFW non ramp facility and walk in access is still allowed. That overflow parking has been there for as long as I can remember. We used to park there all the time when the park parking lot was smaller and undeveloped and would fill up quickly.
So I doubt locking the parking lot is going to stop people from walking on private tidelands if that is indeed the illegal activity.

Also, who goes to a public beach and goes walking in someoneís yard as the article states? That would be someoneís front yard in this case.
It sounds like of exaggeration to me to help get this locked up.
SF
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#1034451 - 07/14/20 04:52 PM Re: Parking lot closed due to ....high demand?? [Re: ned]
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All of this sounds like an excuse and cover to me....
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#1034455 - 07/14/20 08:38 PM Re: Parking lot closed due to ....high demand?? [Re: stonefish]
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Originally Posted By: stonefish
True, it might be walking on the private tide lands is the illegal activity.

With that being said, there has always been county park overflow parking along the road just east of the WDFW non ramp facility and walk in access is still allowed. That overflow parking has been there for as long as I can remember. We used to park there all the time when the park parking lot was smaller and undeveloped and would fill up quickly.
So I doubt locking the parking lot is going to stop people from walking on private tidelands if that is indeed the illegal activity.

Also, who goes to a public beach and goes walking in someoneís yard as the article states? That would be someoneís front yard in this case.
It sounds like of exaggeration to me to help get this locked up.
SF


I may be wrong, but I donít think it is illegal to walk along the beach on someoneís property as in from PNP to the beach at the launch facility or vice versa. What would be illegal is stopping to fish, sit or even pick up shells. Just transiting across the property is fine, at least that is what my brother tells me who owns beach front property on the Hood Canal near Salsbury.
That being said, I use the facility to launch a kayak on occasion. I guess Iíll have to park on the street and wheel it under the gate...quietly.

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#1034456 - 07/14/20 08:46 PM Re: Parking lot closed due to ....high demand?? [Re: stonefish]
Larry B Offline
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Registered: 10/22/09
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Loc: University Place and Whidbey I...
Originally Posted By: stonefish
True, it might be walking on the private tide lands is the illegal activity.

With that being said, there has always been county park overflow parking along the road just east of the WDFW non ramp facility and walk in access is still allowed. That overflow parking has been there for as long as I can remember. We used to park there all the time when the park parking lot was smaller and undeveloped and would fill up quickly.
So I doubt locking the parking lot is going to stop people from walking on private tidelands if that is indeed the illegal activity.

Also, who goes to a public beach and goes walking in someoneís yard as the article states? That would be someoneís front yard in this case.
It sounds like of exaggeration to me to help get this locked up.
SF


Some of the neighbors fought the PNP ramp project; wouldn't surprise me if it is the same folks. Also wouldn't surprise me if the complainants consider the beach their yard and particularly the log and sand portion.

One the other hand there are some really inconsiderate people out there who have no regard for others' property. Anything is possible.
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#1034457 - 07/14/20 08:54 PM Re: Parking lot closed due to ....high demand?? [Re: Blktailhunter]
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Originally Posted By: Blktailhunter
Originally Posted By: stonefish
True, it might be walking on the private tide lands is the illegal activity.

With that being said, there has always been county park overflow parking along the road just east of the WDFW non ramp facility and walk in access is still allowed. That overflow parking has been there for as long as I can remember. We used to park there all the time when the park parking lot was smaller and undeveloped and would fill up quickly.
So I doubt locking the parking lot is going to stop people from walking on private tidelands if that is indeed the illegal activity.

Also, who goes to a public beach and goes walking in someoneís yard as the article states? That would be someoneís front yard in this case.
It sounds like of exaggeration to me to help get this locked up.
SF


I may be wrong, but I donít think it is illegal to walk along the beach on someoneís property as in from PNP to the beach at the launch facility or vice versa. What would be illegal is stopping to fish, sit or even pick up shells. Just transiting across the property is fine, at least that is what my brother tells me who owns beach front property on the Hood Canal near Salsbury.
That being said, I use the facility to launch a kayak on occasion. I guess Iíll have to park on the street and wheel it under the gate...quietly.


I think it depends on whether they own the tidelands or not, but that can be a convoluted debate has Iím sure you know.
Iíve found most people to be pretty cool but every once in awhile you run into a real hard ass about their property rights. Most the time Iíve found them to be newer property owner who moved here from
out of state, but not always.
I just move on if if I run into one of those types.
I understand they are paying a hefty tab as far as property taxes but if someone is just moving through and not parked there fishing etc as you said, it shouldnít be a problem.
Over the years Iíve become pretty good friends with a number of homeowners on various beaches. I try to pick up any litter I find and respect their privacy by being quiet.
A fish or good bottle of wine or booze can open up some pretty good access and friendships. Last time I fished up north I got served teriyaki kabobs on a private beach.
SF


Edited by stonefish (07/14/20 08:55 PM)
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#1034489 - 07/15/20 04:37 PM Re: Parking lot closed due to ....high demand?? [Re: ned]
Steelheadman Offline
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Loc: Poulsbo, WA,USA
They keep on blocking access to my usual and accustomed fishing grounds.

I wonder what would happen if there is an organized protest.

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#1034491 - 07/15/20 04:55 PM Re: Parking lot closed due to ....high demand?? [Re: Steelheadman]
Larry B Offline
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Originally Posted By: Steelheadman
They keep on blocking access to my usual and accustomed fishing grounds.

I wonder what would happen if there is an organized protest.

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If that includes PNP you can probably park outside and walk through to fish.
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