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#1059117 - 02/11/22 07:14 PM 2022 NOF
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NOF & OFF TO THE RACES

February 11, 2022

Contact: Kyle Adicks, 360-902-2664
Public Affairs contact: Ben Anderson, 360-902-0045
WDFW invites public participation in annual salmon season-setting process

Washington’s North of Falcon process kicks off March 4 with statewide forecast meeting

OLYMPIA – Fishery managers with the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW) have scheduled numerous opportunities for public participation in setting state-managed salmon seasons in 2022, beginning with a statewide forecast meeting on March 4.
That meeting, part of the season-setting process known as North of Falcon, is just one of more than a dozen virtual meetings scheduled in the coming months to discuss salmon fisheries across Washington. North of Falcon refers to waters north of Oregon’s Cape Falcon, which marks the southern border of management of Washington’s salmon stocks. This includes Puget Sound, Columbia River, and coastal Washington salmon stocks.

Input from anglers, commercial fishers and others interested in salmon fishing will be considered while state fishery managers partner with tribal co-managers to craft this year's fisheries.
“Interest in Pacific Northwest salmon fisheries has grown significantly in recent years, and the season-setting process is a crucial time for the public to engage as we work alongside tribal co-managers,” said WDFW Director Kelly Susewind. “This process is about cooperation and collaboration, as well as better understanding the diverse interests of sport anglers and commercial operators across the state.”

"North of Falcon is a critical venue where each treaty tribe engages in the sovereign process of negotiating fisheries with our state co-managers," said Ed Johnstone, chairman of the Northwest Indian Fisheries Commission. "Fisheries management only gets more challenging because of ongoing loss of habitat, declining salmon runs and impacts of climate change. Tribes of the Northwest Indian Fisheries Commission have a responsibility to make tough decisions as stewards for the resource to protect fish for our children and their children.”

From 9 a.m. to 2 p.m. on Friday, March 4, WDFW will present initial forecasts developed by WDFW and tribal fisheries biologists. WDFW and tribal forecasters use a suite of scientific data, including watershed sampling and monitoring, ocean indicators, and previous year returns, to estimate the number of salmon and steelhead that will return to Northwest waters, and how many fish will be available for harvest.

In addition to attending virtual meetings, other ways the public can participate in the state’s process include:
• Online comments: The public can now provide general comments on potential fisheries at WDFW’s North of Falcon public input page. Additional comment opportunities on specific seasons and fisheries will be available as forecasts and proposed season summaries are made available.
• Conference calls and daily briefings: During the final days of negotiations, state fish managers plan to hold briefings each day, which will be available via conference call.
For a full timeline of the state’s North of Falcon process, including a public meeting schedule with opportunities to participate in virtual meetings and provide public feedback, visit WDFW’s North of Falcon public meetings web page. Any additional meetings will be added as they are scheduled. To support COVID-19 safety guidelines, these meetings will be conducted online and be available to the public to watch or listen via webinar or conference call.

This process occurs in tandem with Pacific Fishery Management Council (PFMC) public meetings to establish fishing seasons for salmon in ocean waters 3 to 200 miles off the Pacific coast. The PFMC will discuss preliminary options for ocean fisheries during its March 8-14 meeting and is expected to adopt final ocean fishing seasons and harvest levels at its April 6-13 meeting. More information on these virtual meetings is available on the PFMC’s website.

The Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife works to preserve, protect, and perpetuate fish, wildlife and ecosystems while providing sustainable fish, wildlife, and recreational and commercial opportunities.
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#1059119 - 02/12/22 12:52 PM Re: 2022 NOF [Re: Rivrguy]
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I was wondering who they were going to get to ride the horse to the meeting..

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#1059120 - 02/12/22 04:29 PM Re: 2022 NOF [Re: Rivrguy]
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As far as public input is concerned, it is just the yearly dog and pony show. You would better off asking the tribes what they are going to let WDFW have for seasons.

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#1059121 - 02/12/22 06:21 PM Re: 2022 NOF [Re: Rivrguy]
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Well,yeah. That covers it pretty well. Cap in hand, begging for crumbs.

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#1059122 - 02/12/22 09:41 PM Re: 2022 NOF [Re: Carcassman]
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#1059124 - 02/13/22 10:39 AM Re: 2022 NOF [Re: Lifter99]
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Originally Posted By: Lifter99
As far as public input is concerned, it is just the yearly dog and pony show. You would better off asking the tribes what they are going to let WDFW have for seasons.


I asked one WDFW regional biologist how our non-treaty recreational seasons would be any different if WDFW didn't participate in NOF at all. It would save the Department hundreds of thousands of dollars, and I think we would still get whatever seasons the treaty tribes decide we can have.

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#1059125 - 02/13/22 11:13 AM Re: 2022 NOF [Re: Rivrguy]
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Agree. Would save lots of money and expectation.

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#1059128 - 02/14/22 01:29 PM Re: 2022 NOF [Re: Carcassman]
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This one is for Willapa and Grays Harbor, yes they will be Zoom which frankly is not the best way in my mind.

Hi Everyone,
Welcome to the 2022 North of Falcon (NOF) salmon season setting process. We wanted to provide everyone with some public meeting dates that have now been scheduled relative to Willapa Bay.

Our website has been updated with the 2022 NOF public meetings scheduled to-date, which can be found at 2022 North of Falcon public meeting schedule | Washington Department of Fish & Wildlife. All meetings will be conducted virtually via Zoom.

The 2022 Willapa Bay NOF public meeting dates are:
Date Time Meeting
March 3 6 – 8 p.m. Joint Willapa Bay and Grays Harbor Forecast Meeting
March 24 6 – 8 p.m. Willapa Bay Fisheries Discussion
April 5 6 – 8 p.m. Willapa Bay Fisheries Discussion
April 19 6 – 8 p.m. Joint final Willapa Bay and Grays Harbor discussion


Other NOF and Pacific Fishery Management Council (PFMC) public meeting dates:
Date Time Meeting
March 4 9 a.m. – 2 p.m. 2022 Salmon Forecasts and Fishing Opportunities (Puget Sound, Coastal WA, and Columbia River)

March 8 – 14 TBD PFMC Webinar March 8-14, 2022 Council Meeting - Pacific Fishery Management Council (pcouncil.org)

March 16 9 a.m. – 12 p.m. North of Falcon #1

March 30 9 a.m. – 3 p.m. North of Falcon #2

April 6 – 13 TBD PFMC Webinar to adopt final federal regulations April 6-13, 2022 Council Meeting - Pacific Fishery Management Council (pcouncil.org)

Please check our website for updated information throughout the NOF process.
If you have any questions regarding this schedule, please contact regional staff or reply to this email with your questions.

Thank you.
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#1059130 - 02/14/22 08:01 PM Re: 2022 NOF [Re: Salmo g.]
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Originally Posted By: Salmo g.
Originally Posted By: Lifter99
As far as public input is concerned, it is just the yearly dog and pony show. You would better off asking the tribes what they are going to let WDFW have for seasons.


I asked one WDFW regional biologist how our non-treaty recreational seasons would be any different if WDFW didn't participate in NOF at all. It would save the Department hundreds of thousands of dollars, and I think we would still get whatever seasons the treaty tribes decide we can have.


And the rest of the story? What was the response???
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#1059131 - 02/14/22 09:03 PM Re: 2022 NOF [Re: Rivrguy]
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In answer to Larry's question I think the Tribes need to "image" of State participation to give an air of respectability. They may well control things, but they and the State can't really admit that publicly. And i don't think the Tribes want the responsibility of being recognized as the setters of the NI seasons. They may then be called to account.

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#1059132 - 02/14/22 09:43 PM Re: 2022 NOF [Re: Rivrguy]
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Does anyone know what happened to the lawsuit the rec groups brought against WDFW to view the WDFW and Tribal negotiations? I remember the recs hired a couple of lawyers to handle the case. That seemed like a couple of years ago and I haven't heard anything since. I think the lawsuit wanted WDFW to also give up the minutes to the meetings. Is that still going on or was it swept under the rug. If I remember correctly the suit went before a Thurston County judge and I haven't heard anything since. Anybody know anything?

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#1059133 - 02/15/22 08:20 AM Re: 2022 NOF [Re: Rivrguy]
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Are you talking about fishnorthwest.org?

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#1059134 - 02/15/22 06:45 PM Re: 2022 NOF [Re: Salmo g.]
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Originally Posted By: Salmo g.


I asked one WDFW regional biologist how our non-treaty recreational seasons would be any different if WDFW didn't participate in NOF at all. It would save the Department hundreds of thousands of dollars, and I think we would still get whatever seasons the treaty tribes decide we can have.


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#1059135 - 02/16/22 01:01 PM Re: 2022 NOF [Re: Rivrguy]
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Tribal whipped we are.

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#1059136 - 02/16/22 02:01 PM Re: 2022 NOF [Re: Rivrguy]
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#1059138 - 02/17/22 08:54 AM Re: 2022 NOF [Re: Paul Smenis]
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Here is the latest for Grays Harbor and Kim identifies some changes. As distasteful as ZOOM meetings have become to most it will be ZOOM again.

All interested Grays Harbor parties,

For those participating in the 2022 North of Falcon public meetings, please be advised to periodically check the schedule at the following site: 2022 North of Falcon public meeting schedule | Washington Department of Fish & Wildlife

There have been some scheduling conflicts resulting in adjustments to some meeting dates and times. For instance, the Grays Harbor fisheries discussion originally scheduled for Tuesday, March 22 has changed to Monday, March 21. The meeting time is the same, 6 to 8 p.m. via Zoom webinar. Please remember to click the underlined blue font text “Zoom webinar” to register for the meeting you are interested in attending.

If you have questions regarding the Grays Harbor public meeting schedule or how to register for a meeting I would be happy to assist.

Have a great day,

Kim Figlar-Barnes
WDFW – Fish Management
Grays Harbor Area F & W Biologist
360-249-4628 Ext. 235
Region 6 Office
48 Devonshire, Rd. Montesano, WA 98563
graysharbor@dfw.wa.gov
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#1059143 - 02/21/22 04:44 PM Re: 2022 NOF [Re: Rivrguy]
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This is a question about NOF and a suggestion as to how the whole process might improve.

As I understand it, the process kicks off when the PSF (Pre-season Forecasts) are agreed to. This is done in the winter before any NOF.

In my work in salmon management, we had the escapement and run size data for the salmon runs a few months after the last spawner died. At that point, you can make an escapement-based PSF for 2 (pinks), 3 (coho), or 4 (chum, Chinook, sockeye) years in the future. As each year rolls by you can add smolt outmigration and hatchery plants, various flow information, and some return for younger ages (sockeye and coho jacks, Chinook and chum age-3s).

Basically, you have forecasts that you update annually. It means that at least general patterns can the developed, issues of either low or high abundance can be dealt with early, and so on.

It would drag out the process, which might let it actually comply with APA.

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#1059144 - 02/21/22 05:11 PM Re: 2022 NOF [Re: Rivrguy]
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Many preseason forecasts are still being worked up now. The PFMC Preseason I report that has most all coastwide Chinook and coho agreed-to forecasts will be out in a couple weeks. Most years there are a one or two stocks that have not gotten state, tribal agreement for this report. Agreement for these are usually worked out for the PFMC meeting in early March; not always though.

But what is your suggestion?

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#1059145 - 02/21/22 05:37 PM Re: 2022 NOF [Re: Rivrguy]
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Work on them once the escapement is in in the brood year. Just keep adding. By the time you hit the real reg-setting time you have had a couple years to work it through.

Again, from experience, some of the disagreements on PSFs are because they don't offer enough harvest. To heck which PSF makes the most biological sense; they have to make harvest sense.

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#1059146 - 02/21/22 06:59 PM Re: 2022 NOF [Re: Carcassman]
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For Chinook and coho, state and tribal staff spend the winter putting the relevant numbers together to reconstruct the run of the previous year. Usually this reconstruction is a terminal run of catch and escapement. This dataset is used to make the upcoming forecast in a wide variety of methods. For coho, it is often an estimate of smolt outmigration applied to a marine survival rate (common in Puget Sound). It can also be the current year jacks to the history of adult returns per jacks the previous year such as for Columbia River coho. For Chinook is it often broodyear sibling regressions. It also can be simply a recent year average return (occurs when no reliable predictor has been found). Descriptions of the forecast methods for Chinook and coho stocks are in the PFMC Preseason I reports. The explanations can be a bit cryptic for most but you shouldn't have any trouble. The 2022 version of this report should be out in a couple of weeks.

https://www.pcouncil.org/documents/2021/03/2021-preseason-report-i.pdf/

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