This is just a question, has anyone found Vision Hooks to have a inconsistency in sharpness. The reason I ask is I bought my first package and found 3 out of 10 to be a little dull. I got out a package of good old Gamies and they were sharper hands down. I will say the Visions were less money but who cares if they are not consistent.

Fishalot.

They're a new coompany, and quality control is tougher since I assume they don't have the staffing bigger companies have. They're sharper then most out theeere. Plus, I remember when I first started buying Gami's they had the occasional dul to. But th bigger they got, the better quality control they had. I haven't had a problem with them. I just double check them before I tie them up. I'd say the biger they get, the better performance they'll get. Most small companies start out that way, but only difference is thta with most manufacturers, thy have a smaler stock base (say building rods andsuch). A rod maker wil only have s may on stock, and produce a few at a time. Whereas a hook manufacturer wil have thousands. I'm sure i's pretty tedious wok chcking them for sharpness, and some will be missed. I can handle th few duls ones, since I check the before I tie the up. I get on average maybe 3-7 per hundred pack. For th price comparison to Gami's I can easily handle that. Plus, I haven't had any problems with the breakage/bending I've heard about either. I'm stil in th trial run, but I like what I've used so far. But i use a certain hok fora certain situation. May be why I do't brak/bend any. Just my opinion.

Tumwater Sports has a tub of Vision Hooks discounted on their clearance table if anyone is interested.

Every hook manufacturer will let some substandard products slip out the door. When they are dealing with that many hooks its impossible to catch every sub standard hook. Ive had sub standard hooks with every manufacturer. Vision doesnt seem have more "bad" hooks than anyone else. They are a newer company and people are looking harder at thier products. Personally I will use nothing bt Vision hooks, I have yet to have one fail while using one. I cant say that about the other guys hooks.
I work in a production plant that produces a couple of million linial feet of material a day. Even though we make the best product on the market and our qality control is the best in the buisness we still let some bad stuff get out the door. That just happens when you are dealing with large volumes of product. It cant be helped.

I had 11 hooks in the last 100 pack I puchased to be flattened at the point like they where chrushed in the press. I have went back to the Owner needle points or cutting points. The hook may be what is holding my Trophy, So money is not spared. As they grow and QC becomes more riged I will try them again. Most where sharp but 11 deformed...

i dont know of any business where a customer will accept a salesmans excuse of "bad product just happens, theres nothing we can do about it, it cant be helped". that seems pretty extreme.

Wait a minute here! back up the ramp. weren't these Vision advertised as (hand sharpened). I too have seen a lot of faults, like the eyes being rough arounf the edges, some points are dull. just drag a gami across your thumb nail, then try a vision big difference. got to remember these are kimchi hooks, Made in So Korea i believe. sorry if i'm wrong. but i sure do like there swivels there awesome.

I always fish visions and every one i've had has been sharp as hell! Ask my fingers, they know!
Tyler

KSR,
Obviously you havent been aroud too many production operations. In the buisness Im in we make over 1300 feet of material a minute. You cant catch every little flaw at that speed.
Im pretty sure that hooks are made fast and the operator of the machine that makes the hook cant catch every defective hook.......

Hey Dave Jackson is the other half of that dead horse available or did Bardo scarf it up for cougar bait?

gooose

Wilie rower is right. You produce in bulk, you get mistakes. It's hat they do with their mistaks. From hat i"ve sen, you send the back your bad hoks thy replace them. They may say "it' a quality control thing", but the do try to rectify any mistakes. I like Visions so far, and plan to ive the alot more busines. Now, if only th'd make a FLY HOOK I'd be super happy. Hint hint, an Alec Jjackson spey hok would even be BETTER.

Inconsistencies can be found in all manufacturer's packages. Fishgal just got done tying up a hundred Mustad Ultra Points and there were four defective hooks in that batch.

I'm afraid that our friend has gone on to the afterlife. At least, after his frozen death and then cougar baiting:


Seriously, send them an email ( vision@visionhooksandtackle.com )and let them know that you had some bad hooks. They've been very responsive in the past and I don't see that changing. No matter what hook, leader, swivel, etc that I use I am going to test it before I toss it. I'd rather find out before I hook one than after.

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Crap...White Dog was watching the screen when I scrolled to the Alpo post! Severely traumitized pooch....thought he was getting prime cuts of beef .

gooose

I'm about half way through my second box of 1000 # 4s. I found 2 bad ones is the first 1000 and haven't found one in this box yet. My guess is you've gotten old stock.

Fishhead5

Goose I think this has been beaten to death.

I think I'm going to post this thread over at artbell.com. There's a conspiracy amock.

Yah mon! Da 'orse is laung ded mon!

gooose

I've had $200 Shimano reels strip out the first trip on the water, I've had $350 G. Loomis IMX's blow up in my face first time into a fish. Chances are, you make enough of something, you're gonna have a few defects here and there in your product. Vision's are damn good hooks for the price. I suggest getting a hold of one of the guys at "Team Vision". They'll be more than happy to take care of ya..

James

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I'll second what James said...

I personally fish a lot of different hooks and have found flaws in all of them. For what you pay for Visions if you get a bad one throw it in the garbage and tie up the next one.

But I still would rather fish a Vision over a Gami unless I'm fishing a no barb piece of water... Gami's barbs suck and no matter how hard you set the hook with them there's not much barb to hold.. At least with a dull hook if you set the hook hard and bury the barb it will reduce the chances of losing an acrobatic fish..
Keith

Every manufacturer makes bad product, true. The key is to implement process control, so that the product and equipment making it gets inspected more often than your quality data implies you're apt to get bad product. What you do with the product that was made right before the process went out of control is what controls how much bad product makes it to the market. That, and how you define "bad product".

Unless they're making medical, military, or aviation products, most manufacturers will call it an acceptable risk and ship it. You just hope you don't get the last 50 hooks made right before they discovered the machine was in a bummer mood!

I haven't tried Visions yet..what's the price dif compared to Gammis?

I just opened a package of visions myself!It was supposed to be a package of 25.Instead I got 28!The first thing that I did was check every one for sharpness.All passed as far as I am concerned.I think that vision just got a new customer!

Hey Guys,
I will try and give you the rundown as best as possible.
1. we are a small company
2. we are constantly trying to improve our quality control, but we have a small staff of wharehouse people and don't catch everything.
3. we are not manufactured by the company someone mentioned above.
4.we are very accessable and if you get some bad product I will be more than happy to replace it for you and always try to handle all these type of problems myself.
5.We are constantly adding new products and everytime we do so it takes some time to work out the bugs and it also takes time away from looking over the stuff we already have.
6. we will be adding fly hooks soon.
7. All your ideas and suggestions are appreciated wether they are good ,bad or indifferent.
8. Thankyou for your continuing support of Vision hooks and Tackle!!!!!11

peace Superfly

I've been fishing Visions way before I ever met Joe and "Kid"
I believe they are chemically sharpened.
My only deal with them is hook sizes,but that was an easy one.
If I get a bad one I just take me back,they aren't the only ones,They have and will continue to improve......I mean come on what do you expect....they have Justin for a field rep ......the only way to track him down is head to the river,he's there...Os

OK Inspector Fishalot, I wanna see 'em, then you can inspect my 1000 vision #4's. When was the last time you caught anything anyway, or what month? I don't know why you even use hooks anyway

i think if you buy hooks in a smaller quantity you more likley to get better quality hooks
tyler

I really like visions, although I have used only their 2/0 for eggs - they are sharp enough, although I always check each one and almost always touch every hook I have ever tried up with a needle file - even gamis. I like the hardness of visions - the points hold up well to being dragged over rocks better than the competition. I have not yet seen any quality problems but I have only looked at 50 or so. If I find any bad ones it's comforting to know that if I felt like it I could return them. Can't think of another hook manufacturer who has offered that. And so far, 2 hooked on visions and 2 to the bank (oops, now that I said that the streak will be over big time )

Well I thought I better jump back in at this point, mostly because Tilla opened his big mouth. The only reason I make the post was because I was real surprised When the first 3 hook I pulled out of the pack were not sharp. Sure I can relate to all the Info given from everyone. I fished the Vision hooks yesterday and I will say they work just fine.
Now a question for my good fishing friend Tilla, how many of the 1000 Vision hooks have you used and I'm not talking about Tied up. We need to get a few fish in your boat that have scales. You the MAN Tilla.


Fishalot
Team Sneakin'Out - First Hand.

I never know how I will feel when I fish with Tilla And you can QUOTE me on that. It is not MAD that is for sure.

OWNERS, except for the price best hook that I've run across.

I haven't had any trouble with the hooks, but today I used their pink worm rig and after three casts the worm started to fall apart.....!?!?!?

hey riverswild, there a small company, they got small warehouse staff, toys r ua ran out of bug maker goo, just send back the pink goo for a complete refund. are those Korean worms??

Worms are from Canada, it is funny though, the asians want to buy worms from us to ship over there.
Also very strange about the worm coming off, I have fished a worm all day and not had it come off, even with the hooking and landing of a number of fish. But you know those canadians, might have been mixing the worm mix with beer instead of catalyst.
Peace Superfly

The worm didn't "come off", it split in half.

PS The hook was very sharp!

canadian worms EH!, sell overseas Eh!.sounds like a good deal for the whole world. hope they don't think of them as a delicasea like chum eggs. well all be in trouble.

No Chitt !! man, it would drive the price right up on those damn worms
Peace Superfly

Geez...draggin anyones worm thru hangups will cause them to fall apart. I won't name the brand but they are nice looking in action from another nw company and they go to shait after a couple of casts also...especially when draggin them thru the crap. Haven't had a problem with the Visions.

gooose

I'll have to remember this when making those airplane parts at work

Granted, we're not talking plane parts here, but I've been involved in mfg for 8 years now. You want to catch these problems right away before you chase off customers to the next guy down the road that is.
If you see you machine is spittin out crap you shut it down, pull all the crap parts off the line and then fix the problem.
Have to make sure those junker parts don't sneak out the door.

For something non critical (compared to airplane parts). Id rather do my own QA control for the money I save using Vision.

sinker:

The guys at Vision DO want to catch these problems, and that's why they want to know about them. It's the only way that they're going to find out about it.

Summary: if somehow you do get a sub-standard quality product from Vision, email them and let them know. They'll take care of you. End of story.

How about their swivels? In the last 5 weeks we have had 3 swivels come apart while fighting fish. We have had no problems with the hooks...