#170184 - 12/25/02 05:18 PM
Re: Remember the Cedar
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Parr
Registered: 11/08/02
Posts: 60
Loc: kent, wa.
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Ya, i remember the cedar, it was my favorite trout fishing stream, and still would be if it were open. they say they shut it down to protect the salmon, what a load of crap!!! most of the fish i caught there were cut, and rainbows, not salmon. can't see why there can't be a summer trout fishery on it??? i grew up on that river, and miss fishing it. the last year it was open to artificial lure regs i caught around 20 trout mostly cuts. NOW THEY ARE GOING TO CUT HATCHERIES?? this river should have had a large hatchery on it years ago.
last year for steelhead caught two, and a buddy caught a large rainbow, around 5 lbs, bummer it's closed.
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#170188 - 12/26/02 02:21 AM
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Registered: 11/24/00
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Loc: The Terrace
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Reading this post made me dig thru my fishing log, found a copy of my 1981 punch card, 9 fish in march on the Cedar, 5 fish on the pill ,I rember one buck that I thought would go 20 ,after it was cleaned it was 19&half lbs
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#170191 - 12/26/02 03:29 PM
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Registered: 03/16/00
Posts: 328
Loc: snohomish, wa
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Very fond memories of the Cedar. Like the fish that took my shrimp louie and proceded to run down river like a train out of control. Ran straight under some limbs sticking out in the river and got off. Or the hen caught down at the concrete plant, nice native hooked right next to the bank. The Cedar was a great fishery. Maybe some day it will be back.
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#170192 - 12/26/02 04:06 PM
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#170194 - 12/28/02 02:01 AM
Re: Remember the Cedar
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Parr
Registered: 11/08/02
Posts: 60
Loc: kent, wa.
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salmo,
most probally won't like my answer, but here it goes. first, i think the damage to salmon species in general should have been, and could have been prevented years ago. you say you are worried about someone catching fry in a river that has been depleted of most of its natural cover for fish, not to speak of the chemicals that go down the river to keep peoples lawns green! natives are great, and i'm all for them(including salmon) but, i'm realistic, and believe natives one day will be a thing of the past. (just my opinion)
Hatcheries i do believe will be the future of fishing like it , or not.(i don't) I once had a conversation with a fish bioligist, and told him i thought it was better to have people fishing for hatchery fish than no fish at all, don't you? if there was a hachery on the cedar would there be a trout summer season? i think there would, there is on the green, and there is no natives in the green?or fry? why isn't the green shut down to summer trout fishing? most of what i catch in the green in the summer ARE steelhead fry, of course i release all but a few unharmed. it to me comes down to $$$$$$$$$$ for a hatchery, i think no hatcheries on rivers like the cedar is bad business, and a pipe dream for those that think the damage to the river is will be fixed with JUST time. urban rivers need hatcheries, my opinion.
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#170196 - 12/28/02 05:17 PM
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Registered: 07/18/02
Posts: 275
Loc: Bellevue
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I have asked before, and tried to research on the WEB but have not found out why the Cedar River went downhill so fast and why it was closed. I know that it is closed because the runs are in danger, but what caused it? It seems like the fishery closed 'almost over night'. Was this just before people started paying attention to what was going on? I really don't know what the real reasons are. Any feedback?
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#170197 - 12/28/02 05:20 PM
Re: Remember the Cedar
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Chumster, This is what I did after I read your post. Im not familiar with the Cedar but I have heard storys of the plentiful large fish and I have seen the rivers size and closeness to the metro area. Even if the river had a healthy population of wild steelhead or salmon it would be rediculas to open it to the public. And it should remain a miracle untouched by anglers because if anglers were aloud to fish it even CNR anglers with the amount of traffice that stream would have it would be destroyed in no time at all. People need to understand that the public in most cases is ignorant and dont know how to treat a river or the fish in it.
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#170198 - 12/28/02 05:42 PM
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Registered: 12/06/99
Posts: 434
Loc: Seattle
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What year was it when Hershel and his cronies decimated the Steelie run headed for the Cedar? I still to this day think they should have just shot them $%#@(*
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#170199 - 12/28/02 09:41 PM
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Parr
Registered: 11/08/02
Posts: 60
Loc: kent, wa.
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rich, not sure i understand you, please explain a little more??????????? I'm sure jet sleds on rivers other than the cedar is great for them, or how about river rafters, summer swimmers?????? or like i said fertilizers to keep grass green. hell, why not kill all species other than steelhead , or salmon to protect any precious eggs from being eaten??? maybe i'm not following you, but if you, and others think that steelhead, and salmon are the only species worth fishing i strongly disagree!!! salmo, you are right there is great cost to a hatchery, but hell if i have to pay for TWO seattle stadiums i could give a SH$T about, then more money tward a license fee would be a small price to pay for more fishng water. of course that extra money would end up in the general fund, instead of for fish. chumster
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#170201 - 12/28/02 10:42 PM
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#170202 - 12/29/02 01:06 AM
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Registered: 12/10/02
Posts: 439
Loc: Everett, WA
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I too grew up fishing the Cedar for Steelhead. It was amazing that an urban run of fish could withstand the pressures placed upon it. The Cedar watershed is the primary source of water for the city of Seattle. The upper river has been closed to fishing for a lot of years to protect the water quality. Below the dams is where the troubles began. The city would shut off the water from the resorvoir to lower the water level in Lake Washington so that people could repair their boat docks. This would drain the river to a trickle. Of course if there were heavy rainfalls in the watershed they would then have to open the floodgates and the river would become a raging torrent. The fish remarkably survived that abuse. The fish also survived the "trout" fishery that occured. In reality most of these were steelhead smolts. I remember "Hershal" and his gang below the locks that decimated several consecutive returning age groups of adult fish. I remember how people came from far and wide to watch these useless marine mammels catch steelhead and tear their bellies out, one after another after another. Top this with tribal netting and it was easy to see why the run collapsed.
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#170204 - 12/29/02 02:48 AM
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Smolt
Registered: 05/19/00
Posts: 77
Loc: Renton, WA
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I would not say Herschel was the reason the native run declined. I will say it was the Herschel episode (lasting over a a couple of years) that put the spot light on the Cedar. Fisherman yelled that the Sea Lions were killing the Steelhead and ruining the Cedar River population. Remember we had nightly news coverage showing the slotter, it was even shown on national news. In came the environmentalist that said it was polution, forest removal, damming and of course habitat loss which was the real cause, not an innocent California Sea Lion. In either case, with all the news coverage, the Cedar was closed to ALL fishing.
As far as what is the cause to the Native Steelhead decline -- I don't know, I've seen no data to indicate how the river doing. As far as I know, their's fish stacking up right now in my old holes. Chance are, theirs at least a couple.
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#170205 - 12/29/02 03:51 AM
Re: Remember the Cedar
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Returning Adult
Registered: 03/12/01
Posts: 440
Loc: Puyallup, WA
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I talked with a fish counter one day on the Snoqualmie about re-opening the Cedar. He suggested or was already being talked about, a lottery type system where you had to be drawn to get a license to fish the river. This would limit the amount of pressure. It is such a small river that something had to be done to limit the amount of people. This sounds like an enforcement nightmare. The way I see it is have it open to everyone or not at all. The way it stands now, if a fish cop sees someone fishing he knows they're in the wrong. If it opens on a lottery system. They have to go down and check each and every person to see if they're supposed to be there. Which the ones that aren't will see them coming and slip away. I feel the same way with C&R rivers as well. Do you know how many fish get stashed in the bushes on these? Fish cop drives by or walks by and see people fishing thinks nothing of it. Now if it were closed totally they'd be toast for being there. Not to mention the mortality rate on endangered fish, who's status made it catch and release.
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