TWO FRICKIN RODS!!!

How in the hell can I Floss Salmon throwing 12ft leaders with two 10ft rods???

I don't know everything, but I am willing to learn new tricks

Salmo, I REALLY enjoy your posts so please don't let those desperate others keep you from posting. It is true that you are wasting your time with a select few but thats because all they can hear is their own voice and they are so impressed by their supposed cleverness. I saw Smalma on the news the other night.

Here is another problem with your idea CFM. The WDFW creates a budget every year that must be sumitted to the legislature. I think it was AuntyM (and if I am wrong here I will hear about it) who did the research and found the licenses and fees do not provide enough money for thier budget. The rest comes out of the general fund.

If there is some extra income it is confinsated for by receving less monies from the general fund. They don't get to keep the money to do what ever they one.

That is way it kind of bugs me when someone writes about some big campain by the gamies, and someone else replys with a comment like "extra income." Things just don't work like that.

Salmo -
Right On!!

Inspired in part by your various postings I opted to join the fray here a couple of years ago. I thought that our unique backgrounds, experiences and passions would bring something to the various discussions and debates. I had hoped that the end result would an increase in all of our collective knowledge. I had long believed that an educated user group was the best hope for enlightened management resource protection.

It has become clear to me that thinking was naive. As a result I find I'm posting less frequently and not responding to some of those that do.

Regarding two rods - want to bet how many of those posting on this discussion in favor of multiple rods actually cared enough to submit a proposal in WDFW's recent request for regulation proposals or take part in the North of Falcon salmon season setting process to lobby for an extra rod? I'm thinking ZERO!

I believe that if one is not part of the solution then they are part of the problem!

Just want to thank you for your time and willingness to share your knowledge.

Wishing you productive times on the rivers and tight lines.
Smalma

Well, when you get older the memory fades. :p

Salmo g. & Smalma,

I for one, sure hope neither of you quit or even reduce the number of your informitive and well thought out posts.

Not only do they portray your knowledge of the subject, they exhibit your great patience with us. Which by itself is a great example!

Thanks!



herm

So tell me Mr. Logic, (that's you, cfm)

Snagging is illegal, too, right? And WDFW enforcement is doing such a stellar job of preventing it aren't they?

So don't tell me there is anything logical about assuming WDFW enforcement will catch the cheats. I've been fishing long enough to know better.

Dan maybe it's because WDFW hearts not really into stopping snagging in the first place! It wasn't that many years ago (the 70's) that WDFW management was proposing to have a "snag" fishery in special dual use ponds at the Cowlitz Hatchery, or didn't you know that? One would think that it may be a little hard for WDFW to propose snagging at one place while writing you a ticket at another place!

You would truly be amazed what one finds when they do a compete check of WDFW records

CFM,

You would be amazed if you did a complete check of the records of any government agency.

For that matter the records of any organization involving more than 10 people.

It is human nature to do stupid things, especially in larger groups. Certainly the WDFW is not immune to this.

There is nothing special about WDFW as far as these things go. Yet for some reason you they have earned your unending ire and that you spend countless hours trying to discredit them.

Is this really a satisfying thing for you to do?

I know many of us on this board get tired of it . . .


At any rate, if you really are set on sniping at the WDFW at least share the love with the rest of government.

Just my $0.02

Geoduck

Geoduck

I hate to tell you this, but I would not be "amazed" at all about other "government agencies" records! I would almost bet you money that there isn't a single person on this board that has done any more public discloser request then I have. Nothing amazes me anymore about our state or federal agencies!

I see that you are relatively new on our board, so maybe you haven't had the opportunity over the last 3 years to read many of my earlier posts. If you had followed them, you would understand why I sometimes have a problem with WDFW and their policies. I believe that I have a right to complain about issues that I have personal knowledge of. I have also worked with many WDFW staff over the years and have repect for many WDFW staff.

I have been contacted by several WDFW employees over the years to "blow the whistle" on some pretty shady deals that some WDFW staff had been involved in. Maybe that's just one reason why so many of them either fear or respect what I have to say today. When I was the president of a large sport fishing group (the FOC) lots of people turned to me and our group with information about wrong doings in our fishery management. When I make a statement about a wrong doing in WDFW, you can bet your last dollar that I have already done my homework, and I can back up whatever I say!

If you don't believe me, just ask Salmo G! He knows me, and he also knows that I always do my homework!

Soon, I will be writing a thread that will be an update to our "older members" on our board concerning our public access and WDFW. When you get done reading it, feel free to come back and criticize me again. Until then, you will just have to take me and my positions for whatever you want to.

Cowlitzfisherman

Jerry and others,

Thanks. I continue to contribute here because I'm led to believe that I can reach and inform anglers who might never otherwise get answers to questions or even think about fish biology and management issues. I've been around the block enough times to know I'm not reaching those who've already made up their minds. Although I think there's a bit of teacher in me. Few things are as satisfying as reaching through a clouded mind and having someone say, "Aha!! I understand it now, and it is very different than I always thought it was." I don't mean to sound like I'm always right and others are always wrong. I'm a long time student of biology, ecology, fish management, law, Native Americans, and fly fishing. I've been in the business in various ways nearly 30 years I guess.

I'm a good fly caster and bait caster - childhood bass fishing, but a lousy spin caster, although I've heard it only takes 15 minutes to learn! Yikes! Guess I'm still waiting to discover the miracle 15 minutes, as I almost single-handedly keep Mepps in business during coho season. Thanks to CFM, I've learned to use less expensive jigs, too. I've been able to provide a few good fishing and technique tips, but among this BB membership, I'm more the student than teacher in that regard.

I enjoy the give and take of spirited debate, but I don't have any use for threads that degenerate into personal attacks and irrational arguments. That's what pushed my button on this one, I guess. I don't think I'm thin-skinned. If I was, I doubt I would have been posting here since nearly day 1.

You're fortunate to be up in Smalma's territory. We're very long time acquantances, and I have a lot of respect for his professionalism. I really appreciated it when he joined the BB.

Sincerely,

Salmo g.

You wrote- "They love that stuff... it's like kitten cocaine."

Man, I'm a pusher! My cat (a tiny fifteen pound beast) Is hooked. He has a bad habit. It keeps me fishing constantly, to appease his meow jones. That 'splains it! As soon as I get the fish out of the cooler in the truck he works me like a crack-wh@#$ for his fix. Too much is never enough. (Notice how I stayed out of the two rod arguement?)
Jeffro

http://slacktide.org:88/~dan/pics/kitty/Isis/Isis_salmon.JPG [/QB][/QUOTE]

Oops-
The above was supposed to go to another message, not the botttom of this. Sorry. Please ignore.

I was surprised to see this debate still going on...didn't think anyone cared this much...hmmm

geez i think i'll take my megger next time i hit the river

Or, just getting tired of the criticizm? I call BS! Does the tax on gear, gas, bait, boats, licenses(boats/trailers and personal)and every other fishing/hunting related sale make up for the funds used from the general fund? BS! Spin , spin ,spin. If in private bussiness I cant turn a profit, I have few options. Government creates it's own costs. And instead of cutting costs, they increase funding, and find very visible ways to say the kitty's empty. Not all government, not all the time. But i'm watching it happen every day. So cry me a river with your "no one understands the government" . Take a look at the big picture in F/G management, the numbers of the resource, and where they go.

I dont see every person who works for the government as "evil". In fact it's the oppisite. I feel the actions of the policy makers are not aligned with the honest Joe that works within the system. And they(policy makers) dont represent the people of this state, rather thier own politicl future. I say that because at every point the public oppinions that should be part of the criteria for the policies, are shut out and portrayed as ignorant. You can do all the legwork to help establish workable policies, only to be sideswiped by another agenda in the end.

But dont be discouraged, I honestly believe it will be the people within the system(like yourself) that will be the leaders in turning it around.