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#402941 - 01/08/08 05:06 PM Re: DUI checkpoints [Re: ]
wntrrn Offline
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Registered: 01/13/03
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You can cite as many folks as you'd like for DUI. But until we actually punish them, people won't change their behavior. Most law abiding citizens in this state have zero problems with police officers or DFW officers or any other enforcement agency. It's just that those who break our laws don't get punished.

SO.. put up checkpoints, make the general public feel more safe, and then allow the offenders to go back to doing what it is they got busted for in the first place. Better yet, let's make sure that 5 year old kid who is on the no fly list gets a good strip search because that will definitely enhance my national security.

I know I feel better already.
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#402953 - 01/08/08 05:20 PM Re: DUI checkpoints [Re: ]
1bighog Offline
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Registered: 11/18/06
Posts: 174
Loc: Olympia
The United States Supreme Court disagrees with you but they don't have 9000 posts on PP so I'm sure they're wrong. The Supreme Court was established by the Constitution to be the arbiter and interpreter of the constitution. The delegates that constucted the constitution in 1787 during those 100 days new it wasn't a perfect document and it would need interpretation as times changed. That's the purpose of the US Supreme Court. To look at a law and determine if it's constitutionally sound. They have done this with DUI checkpoints and they say that it doesnt violate the 4th Amendment.

I get it just fine...but thanks for your concern anyway.

Noone has claimed that checkpoints stop drunk drivers. It removes them from the road.

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#402956 - 01/08/08 05:23 PM Re: DUI checkpoints [Re: 1bighog]
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Figures that you'd like Texas...
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#402962 - 01/08/08 05:28 PM Re: DUI checkpoints [Re: wntrrn]
Sol Duc Offline
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 Originally Posted By: wntrrn
You can cite as many folks as you'd like for DUI. But until we actually punish them, people won't change their behavior. Most law abiding citizens in this state have zero problems with police officers or DFW officers or any other enforcement agency. It's just that those who break our laws don't get punished.

SO.. put up checkpoints, make the general public feel more safe, and then allow the offenders to go back to doing what it is they got busted for in the first place. Better yet, let's make sure that 5 year old kid who is on the no fly list gets a good strip search because that will definitely enhance my national security.

I know I feel better already.


How about, for first time offense 1 year suspended license and mandatory one week in jail. Second time offense you LOSE your license for life and spend 6 mos in jail. This is considering nobody got hurt during these offenses. I know this will clog the jails and the system but I could only imagine the drop off in DUI'S and the lifes saved.
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#402967 - 01/08/08 05:32 PM Re: DUI checkpoints [Re: ]
1bighog Offline
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Personal attack-"1bigwhatever" "part of the problem and not part of the solution" Making a comment about having too much time on your hands is a personal attack? Not even close.

I found some people that would have appreciated DUI checkpoints. Maybe you could give them your speech about personal liberties. Before anyone gets on their high horse about the use of these pics, reprint was approved by the victims of these DUI accidents.


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#402985 - 01/08/08 05:44 PM Re: DUI checkpoints [Re: hohbomb73]
Sol Duc Offline
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 Originally Posted By: hohbomb73
[quote=blue_jay]

But what the hell, one jack off leaving a bar gets on his cell phone and that check point is empty for the evening. Go figure.
/quote]

Yeah, 'cause the ONE "jack off" obviously knows EVERY OTHER PERSON'S phone number to warn them all!


LOL
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#402990 - 01/08/08 05:46 PM Re: DUI checkpoints [Re: 1bighog]
stlhead Offline
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Like I said bighog...if you agree with this then you don't mind if I stop by and search your house any time I feel like it. You have nothing to hide so you shouldn't mind. And if I can get a large enough group together we can search all of the houses all of the time and we'll irradicate almost everything especially the very freedom this country was founded on.
After all an awful lot of people seem to get killed in their own homes and often times alcohol or drug related. If it saves just one person.
BTW, I do think that some become cops for the power trip. But that's not what I meant. I meant law enforcement and politicians work in concert for more power. Law enforcement under the guise of more power to catch the bad guys and politicians wringing their hands over how much revenue the fines will bring in. And checkpoints will generate a lot of little fines like seat belts, equipment, etc. I wonder if we can start confiscation like Florida so the police can target expensive cars and leave my truck alone.
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#402994 - 01/08/08 05:47 PM Re: DUI checkpoints [Re: ]
1bighog Offline
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 Originally Posted By: Abu-Loomis
The last thing I want is to have Blades and 1bigasshole type cops checking to see if I've been drinking. Hopefully this won't happen. How bout we just ban alchohol all together ;\) ...Later


Jake


Anything I said that you would like to intelligently disagree with or you just want to jump on the cop bashing bandwagon with your girlfriend hohbomb?

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#402999 - 01/08/08 05:50 PM Re: DUI checkpoints [Re: ]
Sol Duc Offline
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 Originally Posted By: stam
Many people are killed by drivers that haven't had a drink, are not talking on a cell phone and are wearing their seatbelts.....what are we going to do about them?



If there is no negligence I think those are called accidents.


Edited by Sol Duc (01/08/08 05:51 PM)
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#403002 - 01/08/08 05:52 PM Re: DUI checkpoints [Re: 1bighog]
stlhead Offline
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Pics of people horribly burned. Nice. I know for a fact people have been horribly burned in their own homes. Sometimes it's faulty iring. Sometimes an assailant. Sometimes they did something stupid. We need to search houses man. They're dying out there I can feel it!
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#403007 - 01/08/08 06:03 PM Re: DUI checkpoints [Re: ]
stlhead Offline
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They are a bit touchy feely aren't they?
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#403023 - 01/08/08 06:20 PM Re: DUI checkpoints [Re: ]
wntrrn Offline
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How about we just make a driver's license a bit harder to get in this state? Our kids can't pass the WASL but are given a driver's license just because they can answer 4 out of 5 questions right?

Driving should be taken seriously but the only one's taking it serious have an IQ over 50.

We don't have strict DUI laws because our lawmakers don't want to write their own sentence.

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#403054 - 01/08/08 06:48 PM Re: DUI checkpoints [Re: ]
Sol Duc Offline
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 Originally Posted By: stam
 Originally Posted By: Sol Duc
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If there is no negligence I think those are called accidents.


I didn't ask what they are called, what I asked was "what are we going to do about them?" if we are looking to take all the risk out of life, getting drunk drivers off of the road is a good start, but those burn victims could have been from someone crossing the centerline on the way home from church.

Once we start where do we stop?


I hear what you're saying, there are inherent risks while driving. It is by far the most dangerous thing we do day to day. Sometimes things happen that are unforseeable and deaths occurr. The laws are very loose when you hurt or kill someone with an auto with malice. The punishment never fits the crime. I think sleep depervation is a huge killer and should be taken as serious as DWI.
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#403062 - 01/08/08 06:58 PM Re: DUI checkpoints [Re: grumpyr]
fuzzygrub Offline
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Loc: the pacific northwet
 Originally Posted By: grumpyr
 Originally Posted By: fuzzygrub
 Originally Posted By: 1bighog


Let the cop flaming begin...or should I say continue.



try remembering that i have a constitutional right to drive whereever and however without some publicly funded sychophant trying to exercise his new found power to harass citezens for a monetary gain
spellin aside leo sucks in this state of washington


l M ao
oh really...Maybe you would like to enlighten the rest of us more constitutionally challenged members and show us just exactly where in the constitution you have been granted that right.
You do however, have the right to remain silent.


hehehe ya ok i'll admit that comment was pretty stupid
just tired of all the new ways politicians have for liberating our funds
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#403143 - 01/08/08 08:39 PM Re: DUI checkpoints [Re: fuzzygrub]
Salmo g. Offline
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Posts: 13523
Maybe the USSC has upheld DUI checkpoints, but the plain English reading of the 4th Amendment to the US Constitution makes it clear that such checkpoints are not legal under the Constitution. Aunty M called this one correctly.

Sg

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#403163 - 01/08/08 09:50 PM Re: DUI checkpoints [Re: ]
Dan S. Offline
It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.

Registered: 03/07/99
Posts: 17149
Loc: SE Olympia, WA
What I don't think is yet clear to some is this.

If you want drunks on the road, then prosecute those you arrest in a manner which REALLY discourages drunk driving. No pleading out, heavy fines, mandatory license suspensions, and jail terms for repeat offenders.

The way to keep drunks off the road IS NOT to arrest more of them, and then prosecute them with a slap on the wrist. This tactic can only be interpreted to mean you're more interested in collecting fines than ending drunk driving.
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#403172 - 01/08/08 10:17 PM Re: DUI checkpoints [Re: Sol Duc]
LoweDown Offline
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Registered: 08/07/06
Posts: 1783
Loc: Forks, WA
Why not just require Interlock Blow and Go devices on all vehicles? There's obviously a few people contributing to this thread that have no shortage of air to expel. You know who you are.

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#403173 - 01/08/08 10:18 PM Re: DUI checkpoints [Re: LoweDown]
LoweDown Offline
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Registered: 08/07/06
Posts: 1783
Loc: Forks, WA
And yeah, what Dan said. How 'bout one DUI and you never drive again?

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#403226 - 01/09/08 12:56 AM Re: DUI checkpoints [Re: ]
Knucklebustersonly Offline
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Registered: 03/07/06
Posts: 2561
Loc: WA
On a side-note, I've talked to a cop before who says some nights as many as half the people he'll pull over are driving under the influence... Checkpoints aint gonna stop that...

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#403277 - 01/09/08 07:06 AM Re: DUI checkpoints [Re: ]
1bighog Offline
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Registered: 11/18/06
Posts: 174
Loc: Olympia
 Originally Posted By: AuntyM
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BTW, I do think that some become cops for the power trip.


Obviously. And this one looks like he's one of them. I'd let it go if he was a good CITIZEN that understood what so many men and women have died for, but he's not.


Power trip? Really? Because I disagreed with you I must be on a power trip, huh? For being such a fan of 4th amendment, I guess you don't care much about the 1st unless everyone is lining up to agree with you.

"The US Supreme Court has erred and reversed themselves before, and they will again. That won't stop those in favor of a socialist/police state from attempting to thwart any and all attempts to violate civil rights."

They have refused to even hear another case regarding this issue. If they had some interest in even looking at it again, they would hear a case. They are done with it and so am I.

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