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#522710 - 07/26/09 01:23 AM Pacific Cod?
Sebastes Offline
Repeat Spawner

Registered: 10/31/02
Posts: 1341
Loc: Monroe,WA.
Vedder and I fished with Ricco and Tom Fallon in Tom's boat Thursday and Friday and several small pacific cod grabbed our bottom bouncing Chinook offers.

It has been many years since the Cod and Pollock population crashed in Puget Sound. Most marine areas are closed to retention.

Maybe they are coming back?

I'd like to hear if others are picking up these while salmon fishing.

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#522713 - 07/26/09 01:29 AM Re: Pacific Cod? [Re: Sebastes]
mreyns_tgl Offline
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Registered: 11/06/03
Posts: 3453
Loc: Port Angeles
been tons of them around since last fall

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#522715 - 07/26/09 01:35 AM Re: Pacific Cod? [Re: mreyns_tgl]
tjcarroll Offline
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Registered: 05/05/06
Posts: 355
Loc: Seattle - Union
Been hooken a few at Kingston and Jefferson also.
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#522716 - 07/26/09 01:42 AM Re: Pacific Cod? [Re: tjcarroll]
Les Offline
Parr

Registered: 03/04/06
Posts: 42
Loc: Enumclaw
Been getting alot of them jigging in the Pt. Defiance area and especially out off of the mouth of Gig Harbor. If you get out there in 90+ ft of water were were catching them as fast as we could get down. They are small but they must be making a comeback because I haven't seen any in years in the same area. Also, made a trip up to Freshwater Bay a couple of weeks ago and just out off of Blakely Rock in 80 feet of water or so we were jigging them up there right and left too. You can actually keep a couple in that area code but they were pretty small. I'm sure they are pretty slow growing but it must be some sign the ecosystem is getting turned around to see them again................Les
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#522718 - 07/26/09 03:28 AM Re: Pacific Cod? [Re: Les]
ParaLeaks Offline
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Registered: 01/11/03
Posts: 10513
Loc: Olypen
I caught a number of them last year about half the size of the ones I've been catching this year. This year they are about a foot long. I'm thinking they must be slow growing as well.
Bio's have any info on this?
I remember catching them by the cooler full and averaging seven or eight pounds with an occasional one in the teens...that was back in the eighty's. Then I was told the trawlers dragged them all and that was the last I saw of them.
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#522724 - 07/26/09 10:17 AM Re: Pacific Cod? [Re: ParaLeaks]
Sabi Offline
Juvenille at Sea

Registered: 02/15/08
Posts: 150
can u keep them?

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#522725 - 07/26/09 10:40 AM Re: Pacific Cod? [Re: Sabi]
Smalma Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 11/25/01
Posts: 2844
Loc: Marysville
I'm certainly no expert on true cod (or many other fish for that matter) but from the little reading I have done it is my understand that as bottom fish go our true/Pacific cod are a relatively fast growing and short lived fish.

It takes a female about 4 years to reach sexual maturity (at around 20 inches) and they can spawn multiple times. A fish in its mid teens would be an old fish and fish older than 20 years is virtually unheard of. They are pretty fecund fish with the larger females releasing 5 million or more eggs.

Further it is my understanding that Puget Sound is at the extreme edge of the species distribution. It is for that reason that some thought that once the population crashed it may take a series of unusually good survival years for the population to recovery and it may take decades or longer if ever for the stars to align correctly for the population to recovery. Little is known about the habitat/environmental conditions needed for good survival of the eggs and young larvae/fish so at this time it is impossible to say when to expect improvement.

I do recall that 8 years or so ago we saw a few small cod during the winter and even fewer larger fish the following year and then they virtually disappeared again. Maybe those fish were the parents of those that we ar seeing now; no one knows. It could be that they are just juvenile fish migrating here from elsewhere only to leave later in their life.

However if they remain local fish and some fish survive to reach maturity and sometime in the next decade the larvae from their spawing find favorable survival conditions (probably a long shot) we may see a rebound of the Puget Sound true cod.

Tight lines
Curt

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#522728 - 07/26/09 11:18 AM Re: Pacific Cod? [Re: Smalma]
Dave Vedder Offline
Reverend Tarpones

Registered: 10/09/02
Posts: 8587
Loc: West Duvall
Life History and Habitat
Life history, including information on the habitat, growth, feeding, and reproduction of a species, is important because it affects how a fishery is managed. Very little is known about the habitat requirements of Pacific cod, particularly during their early life stages. More research to define nursery areas utilized by Pacific cod is one step being taken by fisheries scientists to further identify essential habitat and to monitor growth, survival, and subsequent recruitment to improve management efforts.

Geographic range: In the North Pacific Ocean from Port Arthur, China, in the northern Yellow Sea, north around the Pacific Rim into the Bering Sea as far north as the Chukchi Sea, and south along the North American coast to Santa Monica Bay, California. Also found off the east coast of Japan from Tokyo Bay to northern Hokkaido, on the west coast of Japan in the Sea of Japan, and off the coasts of the Sakhalin and Kurile Islands. Pacific cod are rare in the southern part of their range.
Habitat: Cod are demersal, living near the bottom, and concentrate on the shelf edge and upper slope (328 to 820 feet deep) in the winter and move to shallower waters (less than 328 feet deep) in the summer. Pacific cod have been found as deep as 2,871 feet. Adults and large juveniles prefer mud, sand, and clay habitats.
Life span: Relatively short-lived with a maximum age of about 19 years
Food: Clams, worms, crabs, shrimp, and juvenile fish
Growth rate: Moderately fast growing
Maximum size: Over 6 feet
Reaches reproductive maturity: Females mature at a length of 1.6 to 1.9 feet and at about 4-5 years of age.
Reproduction: Females have high reproductive potential – a mature female can produce over 5 million eggs. Pacific cod are single batch spawners, releasing all of their ripe eggs in a single spawning event within a few minutes.
Spawning season: From January through May, depending on location
Spawning grounds: On the shelf edge and upper slope (328-820 feet deep)
Migrations: Individual adults have been found to move more than 621 miles. Pacific cod also move seasonally from deep outer and upper shelf spawning areas to shallow middle-upper shelf feeding grounds. They are a schooling fish.
Predators: Predators include halibut, sharks, seabirds, and marine mammals.
Commercial or recreational interest: Both
Distinguishing characteristics: Pacific cod are brown or grayish with dark spots or patterns on the sides and a paler belly. They have a long chin barbell (a whisker-like organ near the mouth like on catfish) and dusky fins with white edges.


Role in the Ecosystem
Pacific cod are an abundant fish resource within the Pacific and North Pacific Oceans and the Bering Sea. The removal of Pacific cod by fishing may affect the food chain by reducing the amount of Pacific cod available as prey to predators, as well as reducing predation pressure on species that Pacific cod eat. Another consideration is the effect that bottom contact gear may have on living structure.

Pacific cod is a major prey item for endangered Steller sea lions. There are concerns that the Pacific cod fishery depletes important sources of prey for Steller sea lions, as much of the area used by the fishery is designated as critical habitat for the endangered sea lion (because of the prey resources available within it). One objective of Pacific cod fishery management regulations is to minimize competition between locally intense fisheries and Steller sea lions.



Additional Information
Market names: Cod, Alaska cod
Vernacular names: Alaska cod, Grey cod, True cod, Treska
Other species are also marketed as cod.
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#522732 - 07/26/09 11:46 AM Re: Pacific Cod? [Re: Dave Vedder]
ned Offline
Spawner

Registered: 06/09/07
Posts: 666
Loc: MA 5, 9, 10
I'd think their comeback would help feed ling cod too. Agate Pass used to have thousands of them in the fall, and 0 over the last decade. That areas decline was blamed on hydraulic digging for geoduck. Whether that's to blame or not I don't know. I do know the casino sewage winds up out there, but don't know if it'll have a new impact.

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#522734 - 07/26/09 12:02 PM Re: Pacific Cod? [Re: Sebastes]
bullshooter Offline
Returning Adult

Registered: 10/24/03
Posts: 312
Loc: graham wa.
I caught a bunch of them in the straits during halibut season. There were a bunch of them in front of Pillar Point. While fishing 300ft for Halibut we caught one about 5-6lbs. Released it but later regretted it when we found out they are good eating.

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#522740 - 07/26/09 12:39 PM Re: Pacific Cod? [Re: bullshooter]
Neal M Offline
The Enemy

Registered: 12/13/99
Posts: 2785
Loc: Bainbridge Island and Sappho, ...
We released about a dozen of these (one of them bitten clean through at the base of the head. No dogfish did this, but maybe a ling?) fishing yesterday alone. I would guess that on average they have put on several inches in length over the last 4 months or so. When I was a kid we used to catch these things by the dozens! As far as I know, they were not commercial geoducking in Agate pass until after the population of true cod was already gone.... I remember one year seeing commercial cod fishermen in the sound, and the next year the cod were gone. It seems to me, WDFW violated this rule that Vedder posted:

"Life history, including information on the habitat, growth, feeding, and reproduction of a species, is important because it affects how a fishery is managed. Very little is known about the habitat requirements of Pacific cod, particularly during their early life stages. More research to define nursery areas utilized by Pacific cod is one step being taken by fisheries scientists to further identify essential habitat and to monitor growth, survival, and subsequent recruitment to improve management efforts. "

What a shame.... They just did it again with geoduck in Puget Sound....

Nice to see the cod coming back a bit. I thought they were all gone...

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#522746 - 07/26/09 01:19 PM Re: Pacific Cod? [Re: bullshooter]
Tackle Shack Offline
Juvenile at Sea

Registered: 03/10/08
Posts: 241
Loc: WA
Originally Posted By: bullshooter
I caught a bunch of them in the straits during halibut season. There were a bunch of them in front of Pillar Point. While fishing 300ft for Halibut we caught one about 5-6lbs. Released it but later regretted it when we found out they are good eating.


Just because a fish is good to eat is NOT reason enough to eat it. IMHO there is no way Pacific cod should be retained by anyone in Washington State.

They will come back if we let them. Of course the dirtbad draggers will wipe them out ASAP while destroying habitat as a side benefit. Even so we should not base our actions on the poor behavior of others.

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#522755 - 07/26/09 02:27 PM Re: Pacific Cod? [Re: Tackle Shack]
Somethingsmellsf Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 12/15/02
Posts: 4022
Loc: Ahhhhh, damn dog!
We should protest loud and clear that we will not tolerate a commercial harvest of these cod ever again. If we ever do get a chance to have some kind of fishery on them we need to have a collective voice that is unequivocally against commercial exploitation of a resource that they decimated.

Fishy
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#522758 - 07/26/09 02:44 PM Re: Pacific Cod? [Re: Somethingsmellsf]
Addicted Offline
Rico Suave

Registered: 11/06/05
Posts: 2596
Loc: Whidbey Island
We have caught too many to count this year, sometimes they have become a nuisance. Good to see, they seem to be everywhere, and in very good quantity.
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#522776 - 07/26/09 03:52 PM Re: Pacific Cod? [Re: Addicted]
WaveDancer Offline
Parr

Registered: 02/28/09
Posts: 47
Loc: Silverdale, WA
Here's another possible answer why the Pacific True Cod are finally making a comeback;

When the bottom draggers came and did their damage to the fish stocks decades ago,(with WDFW's blessing mind you), they also did something else, they destroyed the eel grass beds that had been growing in Puget Sound for centuries undisturbed.

Eel grass is a major habitat for countless species of small fish and baby Pacific Cod flourished in the eel grass beds in Puget Sound, I used to catch hundreds of them while fishing for greenling, another species decimated by the bottom rapers.

As a youngster, my family lived on the water near Waterman Dock in Port Orchard. I got a front row seat to see the devastation the draggers were doing to Puget Sound. I was disgusted and I had no idea of the impact of what they had done even though I was not yet an adult.

For weeks eel grass washed up on the beach like someone had taken a giant lawnmower under water and just knocked it all down. That was in addition to the thousands of dead fish that washed up on the beach that the draggers had discarded because they were to small to be sold.

Sad, very very sad.

Years later after the bottom fish had all but disappeared it all made sense, disgusting as it was.

It looks to me that the eel grass has now grown back and the fish are taking advantage of it.

Lets hope all of the missing species make a comeback, it would sure make Puget Sound a lot better place to live and play around.

WD.




Edited by WaveDancer (07/26/09 03:56 PM)
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#522791 - 07/26/09 04:24 PM Re: Pacific Cod? [Re: WaveDancer]
floatinghat Offline
Returning Adult

Registered: 06/11/07
Posts: 394
Loc: West of Seattle
Well said WD

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#522794 - 07/26/09 04:29 PM Re: Pacific Cod? [Re: floatinghat]
bonkit Offline
Returning Adult

Registered: 07/14/06
Posts: 382
Loc: Port Orchard
Nicely said WD....Let's leave them alone...
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#522796 - 07/26/09 04:31 PM Re: Pacific Cod? [Re: bonkit]
ROCKFISH Offline
Spawner

Registered: 12/03/01
Posts: 872
Loc: manchester,Wa
I remember fishing for them as a kid in the mid 80s during the winter months, I hope they make a comeback
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#522804 - 07/26/09 04:48 PM Re: Pacific Cod? [Re: bonkit]
mreyns_tgl Offline
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Registered: 11/06/03
Posts: 3453
Loc: Port Angeles
neal- could have been a king that ate your true cod, we have caught countless kings with them in their bellies...including one of today's fish wink

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#522826 - 07/26/09 07:14 PM Re: Pacific Cod? [Re: mreyns_tgl]
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Registered: 01/11/03
Posts: 10513
Loc: Olypen
Would that be "true" mooching? smile
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