#843660 - 06/13/13 04:07 PM
Who knew? Flossing is legal in California
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I always thought that flossing was illegal. Apparently in California it is perfectly legal. I sent an email to the head of the Cal DF@G to get a clarification on flossing after seeing a huge increase in the activity. The regs say that under section 2.00 (c) Fishing Methods: It is unlawful to kill, or retain in possession any fish which has not voluntarily taken the bait or artificial lure in its mouth. Any fish not taken pursuant to these regulations, shall be released immediately back into the water. Also under section 1.05 Angling: To take fish by hook and line with the line held in the hand, or with the line attached to a pole or rod held in the hand or closely attended in such manner that the fish voluntarily takes the bait or lure in its mouth.I was wrong. I'm thinking they need to re-write the regs. This is the email response I got back. From Milotz, Michael@Wildlife
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XXXXX XXXXXXXXXX
Hi XXXXX and thanks for your e-mail. Sorry It has taken me some time to reply, I have been out of the office. I can understand your concern. The basic answer is yes, it is legal and as you have read/seen a common practice that is growing in popularity. There are many issues with this style of fishing. The extra-long leaders do often foul hook fish, many times hooked in the face or tail of the fish. Some people retain the fish (violating ccr T14 2.00) others do the right thing and release the fish.
Mike
Lieutenant Michael Milotz
Department of Fish and Wildlife
Law Enforcement Division
CalTIP Coordinator 1416 9th Street, Room 1326 Sacramento, CA. 95814 916-654-1485 (office)
1-888-334-CalTIP – 24 hour Poaching/Polluting Hotline
Edited by Blktailhunter (06/13/13 04:08 PM)
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#843665 - 06/13/13 04:19 PM
Re: Who knew? Flossing is legal in California
[Re: Blktailhunter]
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Dick Nipples
Registered: 03/08/99
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Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
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Lame...I think that officer needs to read his own regulations.
Fish on...
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#843694 - 06/13/13 07:05 PM
Re: Who knew? Flossing is legal in California
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Ornamental Rice Bowl
Registered: 11/24/03
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The way I read his response, the USE of flossing rigs is perfectly legal. Fish COULD willfully "take" the presentation.
Retaining fish that did not willfully "take" the gear is what's illegal.
He plainly states that some people keep them anyway, while others do the "right" thing.
Bottom line, while it may not be legal, such "take" seems to be tolerated by enforcement.
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#843706 - 06/13/13 07:36 PM
Re: Who knew? Flossing is legal in California
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RobertF
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Bead fishing is the preferred method on the American river and the reason I don't fish there. You can run into flossers on a few rivers here, but the American and the Mad are where I've seen the most. Those flossers on the mad kill me. When its muddy they are there in droves. When the water turns green they all bag it,and thats when that river can be lights out on hatchery turds. I like going up there and bait fishing for a few bucks for the smoker. The bite is where it's at. Flossing isn't fishing. If its a terminal area like Nimbus basin or Thermalito on the feather I say let them floss those hatchery boots and keep them off the water I fish
Edited by RobertF (06/13/13 07:39 PM)
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#843732 - 06/13/13 09:07 PM
Re: Who knew? Flossing is legal in California
[Re: Krijack]
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Spawner
Registered: 03/07/12
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It's alright to retain a fish as long as it was hooked in the mouth, it doesn't matter if a knowitall called it flossing.
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#843777 - 06/14/13 12:41 AM
Re: Who knew? Flossing is legal in California
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Spawner
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It's alright to retain a fish as long as it was hooked in the mouth, it doesn't matter if a knowitall called it flossing. How long are the leaders you use when you're hooking them in the mouth? 90 feet.
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#843876 - 06/14/13 04:57 PM
Re: Who knew? Flossing is legal in California
[Re: Salman]
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Spawner
Registered: 01/28/05
Posts: 781
Loc: Sacramento, CA
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Eyefish and some others on here should be HUGE supporters of flossing on some of the rivers down here - it gets rid of hatchery fish that otherwise would try to spawn in the river.
Edited by Nor Cal Drifter (06/14/13 04:58 PM)
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#843877 - 06/14/13 05:07 PM
Re: Who knew? Flossing is legal in California
[Re: Nor Cal Drifter]
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ExtenZe Field Tester
Registered: 11/10/09
Posts: 8060
Loc: Vancouver, WA
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The flosser's brain is wired in such a way, that he/she has no need/desire to experience the take. Probably some don't know that "the take" exists.
Cali should fix the reg.
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#843966 - 06/15/13 12:06 PM
Re: Who knew? Flossing is legal in California
[Re: Direct-Drive]
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Parr
Registered: 09/06/12
Posts: 66
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The way i take it is that its NOT legal. A fish is not VOLUNTEERING to take the bait, which, according to the regs, is not legal.
I don't care what anyone says, flossing is illegal. The fish isn't taking the bait. You're forcing the fish to "take" the bait, but in reality, the fish didn't volunteer to hit it whatsoever. They are the same as snaggers in my eyes. No need for em
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#844047 - 06/15/13 11:10 PM
Re: Who knew? Flossing is legal in California
[Re: Tyler_C]
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Egg
Registered: 06/15/13
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best lawyer in world could not prove flossed fish..oh ask the fish what happened duh
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#844066 - 06/16/13 11:15 AM
Re: Who knew? Flossing is legal in California
[Re: tooshort]
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ExtenZe Field Tester
Registered: 11/10/09
Posts: 8060
Loc: Vancouver, WA
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best lawyer in world could not prove flossed fish..oh ask the fish what happened duh Flossers are counting on it.
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#858109 - 09/19/13 12:34 AM
Re: Who knew? Flossing is legal in California
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Egg
Registered: 09/16/13
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Loc: FL
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The laws are different for different state so in most of the state that Flossing is legal and i think most of the people think that its the easy way and using that.But may its illegal in other state near you. get the info about world's best solicitors
Edited by Nathan29 (09/21/13 03:23 AM)
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#858119 - 09/19/13 02:19 AM
Re: Who knew? Flossing is legal in California
[Re: ParaLeaks]
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Fry
Registered: 05/17/11
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If you think that's true then RVRFSHR ought to be names RVRSNAGR
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#858124 - 09/19/13 08:11 AM
Re: Who knew? Flossing is legal in California
[Re: menelaus22]
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Dah Rivah Stinkah Pink Mastah
Registered: 08/23/06
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speeding on the freeway is illegal too
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