its breeding Dan, through genetic selection and manipulation of cell structures...

ill rephrase that, its engineering/breeding... so you are correct partly, as it all started out in a lab... but it takes YEARS to create something like that, and the only way to do that, is through breeding, and specific gene selections and what not... the plants have to be grown through multiple crops in order to have that embedded in their plant life cycle...

growing a hamburger patty in a petri dish in a lab is engineering a genetically modified organism...

taking a plant cell, and restructuring it in a lab to do something, is indeed engineering, but for it to work, it takes 20 or so years of breeding to make sure the product works as intended... wether its cross pollination with another plant species, or manual pollination in a greenhouse, or whatever, the plant cycles need to go from start to finish in order to embed that in the cycle and structure of the plant...

regardless if they are engineered, or bred, they arent good for the world really... sure, they are just like every other plant if you leave them be, and wont take over like Scotchbroom or other noxious weeds, but, with them being resistant to pesticides, and people thinking "oh, i can use as much as i want, and it wont hurt anything", thats bad news... because all that sh!t goes into the water table, creeks, rivers, lakes, oceans, mud puddles, ect, evaporates just as rain does, then rains the sh!t back down on you (miniscule amounts, but still, you like Round Up showers?)

so, even tho they arent "bad" as a plant, what happens during the growth of them, and whats done by the farmers growing them, thats most deffinately NOT a good thing... for you, for me, for anything...

this is Washington Jake, a nice cup of noodles or whatnot after getting pounded in rain or snow all day is a nice feeling for a quick snack...

and Mac n Cheese is great while camping as well, its easy, not messy, and quick... (dissing Mac n Cheese is like dissing Fettucini with an Alfredo sauce you know)

and no, im not worried...

what i am worried about is unexplained cancers and illnesses that happen to people, theres a reason for some of it, and a bunch of it can be directly linked to our diet...

and our water table, like what happened in Hinkley California...

We are living longer and cancer rates have dropped since GMO foods were introduced. Diabetes and obesity have skyrocketed because of compact calories in carbohydrate dense processed foods.

You should consider making a few entries on the recipe forum.

i could scrape a couple up, maybe some Chicken Divan, or Pasta Fajoule, ill think about it...

Joad, true (to an extent), but tell that to the people that are already dead... also, just because its "dropping", means absolutely squat, because its still too high... and like i said, the majority of it can be directly traced back to our diets.. what things are fed during their lives (plants included), and what fillers/preservatives and such that are incorporated into them to help preserve and increase volume of end product... cancer rates arent dropping because of the GMO's, they are dropping because Americans are getting smarter about what the shove down their throats, and how they live day to day life...

so, "make a better food" by GM, but hurt the Earth while doing so... because thats exactly whats happening when you dump 500 gallons of Round Up out of an airplane into the soil...

edit, forgot to post this...

Cancer rates throughout the world...


1. Denmark 326.1 per 100,000
2. Ireland 317 per 100,000
3. Australia 314.1 per 100,000
4. New Zealand 309.2 per 100,000
5. Belgium 306.8 per 100,000
6. France 300.4 per 100,000
7. U.S. 300.2 per 100,000
8. Norway 299.1 per 100,000
9. Canada 296.6 per 100,000
10. Czech Republic 295 per 100,000

i was talking about the Ceasar, Cardini's is a very good one... oh, its not GMO either

Round Up is an herbicide, not a pesticide like Diazonon... it had nothing to do with "pests", they just wanted you to think that...

what it had to do with, is wanting something for nothing... they had to figure out a way to make it easier to rake in money, without doing extra work on the crop... so make a plant you can just drench in herbicide, and not die, but everything else is... then the plant wont be competing for nutrients and water, and everyone and everything is happy....

right?

The American diet has never been worse than it is today.

Here is something to think about. We were genetically engineered to have two ears and one mouth and our mouths are bigger than our assholes for one reason. We are designed to take in more than we let out. Ponder that one.

Direct correlation, too, I'm sure.

No, it ISN'T breeding, Nate. Breeding is when you have your lab fu.ck a dachsund. Genetic engineering is taking genes from an earthworm and putting them in a dachsund. Those aren't the same thing in my book.

they didnt take genes from anything tho Dan, they fed the plants small amounts of the herbicide until it no longer responded to it, and could tolerate all of the bad in it, to inevitably "help" it...

kinda like us and DPT and Flu shots and whatnot...

then, they took those plants, and bred them with regular plants, to produce huge crops, but also be resistant to herbicides...

just like they took Cannabis Ruderalis, and cross pollinated it with Cannabis Indica, and Cannabis Sativa, to produce a plant that didnt need the 12/12 light cycle, but automatically flowers during its plant cycle, even tho the lights are on 24 hours a day....

its breeding... the pollen has to come from a specific species in order to pollinate, meaning you cant take a Apple trees pollen, and cross it with wheat, and get Apple flavored Wheaties, it doesnt work that way... it has to come from the same species in order to work, and that all boils down to breeding... but yes, there were "engineers" that started the process... if you want to call them engineers... i call them people that dont give a fvck about the Earth, and only about money in their pockets...

Dan, good effort. But, he has Google and time on his side. Not much else.

No direct correlation he inferred that there was. There is no evidence that GMO causes cancer or any illness.

i havent used google once, im not even sitting here, i can also show you a screen cap of my search history if you would like...

this sh!t is all common knowledge to me, i learned about it over 15 years ago while i was in the Horticulture program for RTC and the FFA...

No direct correlation he inferred that there was. There is no evidence that GMO causes cancer or any illness.

Nate. Looked up Cardinis Caesar the first ingredient listed is soybean oil. Hard to find a commercial soybean that is not GMO. It also has xanthum gum which is made from corn. Again hard to find a non GMO commercial corn. The eggs were from chickens most likely fed GMO feed grains.

Nate. Looked up Cardinis Caesar the first ingredient listed is soybean oil. Hard to find a commercial soybean that is not GMO. It also has xanthum gum which is made from corn. Again hard to find a non GMO commercial corn. The eggs were from chickens most likely fed GMO feed grains.

smoking is the only thing that causes cancer?

sh!t, tell that to my friend that died a year after my dad did that got diagnosed with some fvcked off cancer that smokers get, and he told the doctor "but ive never smoked in my life", and died 4 months later.... he was the Foreman on the job, and worked wtih my dad for 10 years, so im fairly positive i knew the man....


Joad, i never claimed to be a mixologist or manufacturer of salad dressings or anything of the sort... but, there are plenty of places to get non GMO ingredients if the company seeks that for its reputation...

go buy a bottle, and tell me its not the best most natural tasting ceasar on the market, then, go get a bottle of Kraft, and report back...

Wrong as usual Saladtosser early detection of colorectal breast and prostrate cancers and associated treatments count for .75 of the 20% decline in the past 20 years. That firmly puts you in nates camp of talking out your ass.

about these plants, im not talking out of my ass...

about cancer, i dont know alot about it, all i know is that its affected my family and friends, and ive lost a quite a few people because of it....

could it be because of GMO foods? YES... could it be from lifestyle? YES... could it be "in the family"? YES...

is there a deffinate for sure answer as to why cancer runs rampant throughout the world with no cure in sight?

NO...

we dont know enough yet...

to say that GMO foods have decreased cancer since their inception (you said rates have dropped since they came in) is talking out your fvcking ass....

and is probably one of the stupider things ive heard in my life...

4:30 your time queefer. You still have time put the The pipe down to go for a run and cut some of that fat off your waist. However based on family pictures you have posted genetics are not on your side. Pretty embarrassing to be your age on the beach with fat hanging off your sides.

no, but not smoking hasnt done it either... neither have GMO foods god that sh!ts dumb...

but it most definately has reduced the mortality of it...