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#866922 - 11/04/13 04:49 PM Re: 522? [Re: ]
Lucky Louie Offline
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Registered: 11/30/09
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In CA there was about a 6-1 ratio of money against Prop 37
Companies like Monsanto and The Hershey Co. contributed to what was eventually a $44 million windfall for "No on Prop 37," while proponents were only able to raise $7.3 million, reports California Watch.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/07/prop-37-defeated-californ_n_2088402.html

Record-Setting Outside Money Pours Into Washington State to Combat GMO Labeling Initiative which stands at about a 3-1 ratio against 522.

That is over $66 million for just these two states ballots-- with more states eventually putting these on their ballots as well. You are paying whether you realize it or not.

I would like to know what products are GMO, along with what is the $66,000,000 secret?
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#866931 - 11/04/13 05:08 PM Re: 522? [Re: ]
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Exactly. Same crappy food but with a different label, and while a few folks will change their eating habits, most will not.

So what is the point in a new regulation?
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#866936 - 11/04/13 05:15 PM Re: 522? [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: Hankster
Originally Posted By: Salmo g.

Hank, you mentioned that the benefits of GMO outweigh any known liabilities. You're an old fart and should remember they said the same thing about DDT and most of the then-new post-WWII organic compounds. Would you still use DDT on your corn and tomatoes today?

Sg

Yeah, DDT (a synthetic compound manufactured to kill mosquitoes and other pests) is just like a GMO seed. grin


A greater similarity than you realize apparently.

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#866939 - 11/04/13 05:18 PM Re: 522? [Re: Salmo g.]
Salmo g. Offline
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Yeah, the $66,000,000 secret is that it's worth that much or more to their respective piles of money. They could just label all the food, regardless of what state it's being shipped to, and not have to fight the label war in every state. Voluntarily label -- hmmm, didn't FP mention that alternative a earlier in this thread?

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#866942 - 11/04/13 05:28 PM Re: 522? [Re: Salmo g.]
Lucky Louie Offline
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I'm going to vote for 522.

Monsanto only thinks about their bottom line and the health of the masses is the least of their worries.

Another product they produce is aspartame which is used in diet products especially diet soft drinks.

If you drink diet soda and are having any weird side effects google it sometime and see what kind of company you are backing.

They could care less that they are killing you with a thousand cuts.
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#866947 - 11/04/13 05:37 PM Re: 522? [Re: ]
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Sheesh Hank, if I were a chemist I'd spell it out for you, but that would be even more complicated. They genetically alter seeds by injecting synthetic organic compounds. While harmful effects have not been proven yet, that doesn't mean they won't some time in the near future. There were no proven harmful effects of DDT either, until after it had been in use for quite a while. Sorry if my example was too complicated.

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#866948 - 11/04/13 05:38 PM Re: 522? [Re: ]
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Not going to bother reading the eight pages in this thread...I'm voting for it, and if you don't like knowing what's in your food you can just continue not reading the labels, it's your "choice".

Fish on...

Todd
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#866965 - 11/04/13 06:02 PM Re: 522? [Re: ]
Todd Offline
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I don't care to outlaw them, nor do I care to make others only eat what I want to eat...I just want to know what's in my food so I can choose to eat what I want.

Anyone who is against having more information is lying to you about something.

It's funny how the same folks who blabber on and on about "personal responsibility" and "choice" don't want you to be able to choose based on having all the information possible...they want to be able to tell you what information they want you to know.

Hypocrites? Of course. Surprised? Of course not.

Fish on...

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#866967 - 11/04/13 06:05 PM Re: 522? [Re: Todd]
Dave Vedder Offline
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I get your paranoia regarding the possibility they might eventually find harmful side effects. But they've been around since the early '70s and so far the EPA, USDA, FDA, several independent laboratories and other international bodies haven't found any harm in them.


So, these scientist you believe? Unfrickingbelievable.


Edited by Dave Vedder (11/04/13 07:14 PM)
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#866976 - 11/04/13 07:02 PM Re: 522? [Re: Dave Vedder]
AP a.k.a. Kaiser D Offline
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Loc: B'ham
I can't believe I read this whole thing.

Redhook posted 30 times on this thread.
Hank has posted 27 times on this thread.
I think that means RedHook wins? He also started a paragraph off with "see,".

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#866977 - 11/04/13 07:08 PM Re: 522? [Re: AP a.k.a. Kaiser D]
_Nate_
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its something im interested in...

something wrong with that?

since you want to take gramatical aspects and flaunt them,

i never have been known as Redhook, or RedHook, its always been redhook...

its not that the seeds themselves that can harm you, its what they do in the process of growing that can harm you... by drenching them with RU and letting them soak that sh!t in... its what plants do... soak sh!t up, and store it in their fibers...

if you are OK with that, alright... id rather know if i am eating that crap or not... because noone has a steak full of hormones and steroids, with a cob of genetically altered corn, and a glass of RU for dinner, and is OK with it.... atleast not me...

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#866978 - 11/04/13 07:09 PM Re: 522? [Re: AP a.k.a. Kaiser D]
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Registered: 10/20/10
Posts: 1279
Loc: Seattle
You would have to be chemist to know what is really in your food unless you grew the food and the food that you fed to the food you grow. It's a feel good measure that achieves nothing but raising costs and creating more govt.
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#866982 - 11/04/13 07:16 PM Re: 522? [Re: ]
Todd Offline
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Registered: 03/08/99
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It's Big Brother to make people tell you what is in the food they are trying to sell you?

Bullschit.

Fish on...

Todd
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#866985 - 11/04/13 07:24 PM Re: 522? [Re: ]
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Almost all commercially packaged beer contains butlated hydroxyAnisole and dihydrogen monoxide it's on the label what does it tell you? Both are very toxic compounds are you going to stop drinking beer because they have to now put GMO on the label?
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#866986 - 11/04/13 07:29 PM Re: 522? [Re: Us and Them]
Todd Offline
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Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 28170
Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
No...and not surprisingly, I never said anything that should lead you to think that, or even ask it.

What I said, again, is that we should have the right to know what is in our food and be able to make our choices based on that.

You should have the information, too, and if you choose to ignore whether or not there are GMO products in your food, then we both get the same thing...all the information possible, and the ability to make whatever choices we want based on that information.

Fish on...

Todd
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#866987 - 11/04/13 07:30 PM Re: 522? [Re: Us and Them]
_Nate_
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rofl


do you know what dihydrogen monoxide even is?

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#866988 - 11/04/13 07:31 PM Re: 522? [Re: ]
Todd Offline
Dick Nipples

Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 28170
Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
Originally Posted By: _Nate_
rofl


do you know what dihydrogen monoxide even is?


Dumbass...the joke isn't funny if you have to explain it.

Fish on...

Todd
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#866989 - 11/04/13 07:32 PM Re: 522? [Re: Us and Them]
The Moderator Offline
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Registered: 02/09/00
Posts: 14486
Loc: Tuleville
Originally Posted By: Tom Joad
dihydrogen monoxide it's on the label what does it tell you?


That tells me you are looking at a can of Olympia.

"It's the water!"

beer

Originally Posted By: AP a.k.a. Kaiser D
I can't believe I read this whole thing.


You poor sad bastard. wink

PS. The 206'ers are going to pass 522, so if you don't live in King County or specifically in Seattle, why the hell are you even voting? Really, only my vote counts around here. It's the only perk of living in Seattle. wink
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#867004 - 11/04/13 08:17 PM Re: 522? [Re: ]
AP a.k.a. Kaiser D Offline
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Registered: 01/31/02
Posts: 4533
Loc: B'ham
Originally Posted By: Chuck S.
Beer Busch Light Can


It's too late. The GMOs appear to have already rotted your brain!

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#867007 - 11/04/13 08:23 PM Re: 522? [Re: ]
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Loc: Seattle
Beer is an interesting item. Currently there is no requirement to list the chemicals used in the brewing process or what ends up in the can nor what is used to line the can. The only thing that has to be listed is the nutrition info. Of they have to list GMO you still won't know what's in the can.
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