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#955674 - 04/14/16 10:27 AM North of Falcon/PMFC update
Sky-Guy Offline
The Tide changed

Registered: 08/31/00
Posts: 7232
Loc: Everett
I've just concluded the morning conference call with WDFW staff and fellow PS salmon Advisors.

Without going into 1000 details on the fishery models, Tribal, WDFW, and sportfishing positions and seasons which are being proposed now, I am here to say that ALL advisors and individuals such as Ron Garner representing PSA in Washington state have all said "NO DEAL"
and compelled the WDFW Director Unsworth directly to walk away from the negotiations. If WDFW walks away in support of the chorus supporting that decision, WDFW and Co Managers would have 18 days to continue negotiations. the PS Salmon advisors are requesting that no deal is made at NOF and that a Section 7 permit is sought through NOAA to allow salmon seasons for sportfishermen and charter operations in PS this Summer and Fall.


I'll report back once there are more developments.




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#955675 - 04/14/16 10:50 AM Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update [Re: Sky-Guy]
eyeFISH Offline
Ornamental Rice Bowl

Registered: 11/24/03
Posts: 12766
WOW... this is getting ridiculous. The meeting is already in overtime and they're still playing hardball.
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#955676 - 04/14/16 11:07 AM Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update [Re: Sky-Guy]
Dogfish Offline
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Registered: 05/03/01
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Loc: McCleary, WA
Do you guys have the proposed king quotas for each catch area? Westport was proposed to be 14,800. What are Lapush and Neah Bay?

Thanks.
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#955679 - 04/14/16 11:28 AM Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update [Re: Sky-Guy]
eugene1 Offline
Spawner

Registered: 09/17/10
Posts: 885
Loc: out there...
Wow! I guess that letter earlier from NOAA didn't help much.. Or maybe it did.

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#955687 - 04/14/16 12:21 PM Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update [Re: Sky-Guy]
Jerry Garcia Offline



Registered: 10/13/00
Posts: 9160
Loc: everett
NO DEAL
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#955703 - 04/14/16 01:45 PM Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update [Re: Sky-Guy]
IrishRogue Offline
Poon it! Poon it! Poon it!

Registered: 08/08/06
Posts: 1721
Loc: Yarrow Point
NO DEAL!!! Thanks to you, Ryley, and the rest of the folks who are drawing a line in the sand.
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#955706 - 04/14/16 02:04 PM Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update [Re: Sky-Guy]
luckydogss Offline
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Registered: 09/20/06
Posts: 92
Loc: Renton
While things are still being negotiated in the lower 48, Alaska is already making their plans for the summer. This quote came off one of the troller sites. I haven't seen the official announcement from ADFG.

"Abundance index for 2016 of 2.06 for a summer troll quota of some 260,000. 2015 AI was 1.45, it was 2.47 back in 2014.

Last year's announcement didn't come until June 26."


Most of these fish are headed south, especially on the outside waters. They'll catch this quota in <10 days in early July.

I'm surprised with all the turmoil here that they chose this year to make an early announcement.

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#955712 - 04/14/16 03:47 PM Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update [Re: Sky-Guy]
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#955718 - 04/14/16 04:41 PM Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update [Re: Sky-Guy]
rojoband Offline
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Registered: 05/31/08
Posts: 264
Well, a public statement from one side: http://nwtreatytribes.org/treaty-tribes-...-low-coho-year/


Edited by rojoband (04/14/16 04:43 PM)

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#955719 - 04/14/16 04:43 PM Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update [Re: Sky-Guy]
eyeFISH Offline
Ornamental Rice Bowl

Registered: 11/24/03
Posts: 12766
Ocean package adopted just minutes ago....



Rec total of 35K kings and 18.9K coho

To put this into perspective, we ended up at Ocean Option 2 Plus

Recall PFMC Ocean Option 1 was 58.6K chinook and 37.8K coho
Recall PFMC Ocean Option 2 was 30K chinook and 14.7K coho
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#955720 - 04/14/16 04:46 PM Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update [Re: rojoband]
eyeFISH Offline
Ornamental Rice Bowl

Registered: 11/24/03
Posts: 12766
Originally Posted By: rojoband
Well, a public statement from one side: http://nwtreatytribes.org/treaty-tribes-...-low-coho-year/


Apparently, Loomis thinks only one side cares about the fish...

"Unfortunately, the political leadership with the state Department of Fish and Wildlife did not provide a fisheries package that met the conservation needs of stocks of concern because of low abundance,” said Lorraine Loomis, chair of the Northwest Indian Fisheries Commission. “The treaty fishing package is a conservative and appropriate approach to this historically low return."
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#955723 - 04/14/16 05:32 PM Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update [Re: Sky-Guy]
IrishRogue Offline
Poon it! Poon it! Poon it!

Registered: 08/08/06
Posts: 1721
Loc: Yarrow Point
They care so much about fish, especially endangered ones, that they refuse to adopt methods permitting encounters leading to overwhelmingly safe releases. Give me a HUGE break.
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#955724 - 04/14/16 05:38 PM Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update [Re: eyeFISH]
eugene1 Offline
Spawner

Registered: 09/17/10
Posts: 885
Loc: out there...
Originally Posted By: eyeFISH
Ocean package adopted just minutes ago....
Rec total of 35K kings and 18.9K coho

To put this into perspective, we ended up at Ocean Option 2 Plus

Recall PFMC Ocean Option 1 was 58.6K chinook and 37.8K coho
Recall PFMC Ocean Option 2 was 30K chinook and 14.7K coho


Link to coast-wide salmon info Doc?

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#955725 - 04/14/16 05:43 PM Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update [Re: Sky-Guy]
larryb Offline
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Registered: 03/05/01
Posts: 2347
Loc: elma washington
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#955728 - 04/14/16 06:29 PM Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update [Re: Sky-Guy]
Walt_K Offline
Alevin

Registered: 11/11/09
Posts: 18
No deal. About damn time. I sent a note to Director Unsworth thanking him for his stance. Let him know you have his back.

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#955729 - 04/14/16 06:41 PM Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update [Re: Sky-Guy]
MPM Offline
Spawner

Registered: 12/09/08
Posts: 766
Loc: Seattle, WA
So what is the goal? Maximum sport harvest? I'm not sure if that is a really a goal worth fighting for given the dismal predictions.

I haven't been following the details, though, so maybe I'm misinformed. What is the enlightened sportfisherman hoping will result from this process?

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#955730 - 04/14/16 06:49 PM Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update [Re: Sky-Guy]
eyeFISH Offline
Ornamental Rice Bowl

Registered: 11/24/03
Posts: 12766
50:50 .... in times of good AND in times of bad.

Conservation in times of bad means EQUAL sharing and reduction of coho impacts for 2016.

One co-manager should NOT be made to subsidize the disproportionate impacts of the other.
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#955732 - 04/14/16 06:52 PM Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update [Re: Sky-Guy]
MPM Offline
Spawner

Registered: 12/09/08
Posts: 766
Loc: Seattle, WA
Are the treaty tribes proposing something other than 50/50? As I said, I have not been following the details.

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#955734 - 04/14/16 07:00 PM Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update [Re: Sky-Guy]
eyeFISH Offline
Ornamental Rice Bowl

Registered: 11/24/03
Posts: 12766
The Seattle Times version...

http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/very-...ginning-july-1/

Thanks for leading the charge, Pat Patillo!
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#955753 - 04/14/16 09:49 PM Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update [Re: eyeFISH]
JustBecause Offline
Juvenile at Sea

Registered: 07/18/08
Posts: 237
It's a bit hard to follow.

Can you explain to me your 50:50 comment? You say impacts, is that the same as catch, so equal catch? Also, the subsidize comment, can you explain? I've seen it thrown around at the non-treaty commercials. Is this the same with the tribes?

Just curious....

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