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#960594 - 07/11/16 03:11 PM Re: Looks like the black folks are getting revenge.... [Re: FleaFlickr02]
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Originally Posted By: FleaFlickr02

Do you hardcores out there REALLY think the solution is to give every man, woman, and child a firearm? That's the kind of fear you want your children living in?


Q1: Absolutely not. If a person chooses to carry in public, IMO they should also have had training on how to use the weapon, and when.

Guess I'm not a hardcore.

Q2: My grown daughter packs a .380 or 9mm, and has the needed training to go along with it, if ever needed. She does not live in fear, nor do my grandchildren.

Cops train constantly, but the public doesn't. I'd be a big supporter of legislation requiring the completion of a training course and passing a test to show competence before a concealed permit is issued.

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#960595 - 07/11/16 03:21 PM Re: Looks like the black folks are getting revenge.... [Re: ]
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AK-74 is a semi-auto shooting a 5.45x39mm cartridge. Don't think it's even made in a full-auto design. It is also based on the Kalashnikov design.

AK-47 can be made full-auto or semi-auto, and shoots the 7.62 round. Once you get shot at (or near) with an AK-47, you will never forget the sound.


Edited by GoldDigger (07/11/16 03:22 PM)

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#960600 - 07/11/16 03:43 PM Re: Looks like the black folks are getting revenge.... [Re: ]
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The 74 is full auto or not...
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#960601 - 07/11/16 03:44 PM Re: Looks like the black folks are getting revenge.... [Re: 5 * General Evo]
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Originally Posted By: Evo
The 74 is full auto or not...


reported.
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#960608 - 07/11/16 05:39 PM Re: Looks like the black folks are getting revenge.... [Re: dwatkins]
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So Evo, without Googling, what round does AK74 use ?
And why ?

Nvrmnd....you know yer gonna Google.

Media is right on track....first it was AR15, then AK and now SKS.
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#960610 - 07/11/16 06:03 PM Re: Looks like the black folks are getting revenge.... [Re: ]
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Don't need to google, it's the 5.45x39, Mak90, 47, Sks all shoot 7.62x39, some .223/5.56 (AK)....

I've owned all 3, 2 Siaga Ak 100s, and an AMD 65..
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#960611 - 07/11/16 07:09 PM Re: Looks like the black folks are getting revenge.... [Re: 5 * General Evo]
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Originally Posted By: Evo


I've owned all 3

Sure you have Billy.
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#960614 - 07/11/16 07:36 PM Re: Looks like the black folks are getting revenge.... [Re: ]
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It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.

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lol

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#960618 - 07/11/16 08:07 PM Re: Looks like the black folks are getting revenge.... [Re: ]
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what?
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#960619 - 07/11/16 08:11 PM Re: Looks like the black folks are getting revenge.... [Re: ]
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rofl


Fricken A......
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#960624 - 07/12/16 05:22 AM Re: Looks like the black folks are getting revenge.... [Re: FleaFlickr02]
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Originally Posted By: FleaFlickr02
Originally Posted By: deerlick
if everyone was armed one would think twice before pulling their gun....


That's EXACTLY my point. It's because cops know lots of people are packing that they approach even routine traffic stops on a hair trigger. Counter-violence like what we saw in Dallas only makes the situation that much worse.

Do you hardcores out there REALLY think the solution is to give every man, woman, and child a firearm? That's the kind of fear you want your children living in?

Our right to bear arms is important, but I don't believe our forefathers intended us all to carry them around everywhere we go. If the reason the Second Amendment was included in the Constitution ever comes to fruition, we'll have plenty of time to unlock our gun safes and break out the arsenal before the tyrants come calling.



The cops have a hair trigger because so many have been shot and killed in the last couple of years , 28 this year.
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#960628 - 07/12/16 07:08 AM Re: Looks like the black folks are getting revenge.... [Re: Jerry Garcia]
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Originally Posted By: Jerry Garcia
Originally Posted By: FleaFlickr02
Originally Posted By: deerlick
if everyone was armed one would think twice before pulling their gun....


That's EXACTLY my point. It's because cops know lots of people are packing that they approach even routine traffic stops on a hair trigger. Counter-violence like what we saw in Dallas only makes the situation that much worse.

Do you hardcores out there REALLY think the solution is to give every man, woman, and child a firearm? That's the kind of fear you want your children living in?

Our right to bear arms is important, but I don't believe our forefathers intended us all to carry them around everywhere we go. If the reason the Second Amendment was included in the Constitution ever comes to fruition, we'll have plenty of time to unlock our gun safes and break out the arsenal before the tyrants come calling.



The cops have a hair trigger because so many have been shot and killed in the last couple of years , 28 this year.


And just what do you suppose their killers used to put those cops in a shot and killed state?

Guns are supposed to give cops a clear, threatening advantage over citizens behaving badly. That advantage is KEY to them doing their everyday job. Knowing that an ever-increasing number of citizens are carrying (some legal, some not, some good, some bad) proboably doesn't do much to keep them calm and confident, and I dare say it might even put some on a hair trigger.

Quite honestly, I think watching innocent (or at least not antagonistic) people get shot by cops while apparently reaching for a gun provides a solid incentive NOT to carry one. Cops who don't feel threatened (a lot like you and I) tend to be more "reasonable."

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#960631 - 07/12/16 09:50 AM Re: Looks like the black folks are getting revenge.... [Re: ]
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If that were true hundreds of hunters would be shot by game cops every year. It is not the gun that provides the threat it is the perception of guns from an LE perspective that provides the threat.

I've never been perceived as a threat whether armed with a pistol or a long rifle when being pulled over. A couple of times I've even had LE check out my rifles to make sure they were unloaded. Once was with my '66 Centennial 30-30. The cop spent 30 minutes checking it out and talking hunting. But then again I'm white!

It is not a cops job to go home safely!!!! It is a cops job to serve and protect. As long as they are putting their lives in front of citizens lives then we are going to have bad shoots putting even more cops lives in danger and making their ability to do their job that much harder.

Could you imaging a soldier being trained that his or her life is more important than the mission? Our military would be worthless as a force and that seems to be the path LE is going down.

I must say events in Dallas may actually bring this issue forward in a positive way just by how the protesters, the cops (especially that Chief) and first responders have reacted.
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#960635 - 07/12/16 12:38 PM Re: Looks like the black folks are getting revenge.... [Re: ]
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I couldn't disagree more.

That was easily Obama's best and most inspiring speech of his tenure.

Today he sounded like a leader and not a politician. Today he sounded like the man I voted for 7 1/2 years ago and not the man I voted against 3 1/2 years ago.

And I find that extremely sad. As now we will go back to see who can scare the most voters, Clinton or Trump, and thus win the most votes frown. Not sure what's worse, the candidates or the voters??

But as for today well done Mr. Obama!! Hopefully we, as a nation and a people, can move forward together!
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#960637 - 07/12/16 01:24 PM Re: Looks like the black folks are getting revenge.... [Re: ]
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Now, if were able to transfer the concepts into some concrete action.

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#960639 - 07/12/16 02:09 PM Re: Looks like the black folks are getting revenge.... [Re: ]
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And yes GW's speech was excellent also.
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#960643 - 07/12/16 06:04 PM Re: Looks like the black folks are getting revenge.... [Re: BroodBuster]
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Originally Posted By: BroodBuster
Today he sounded like the man I voted for 7 1/2 years ago and not the man I voted against 3 1/2 years ago.


JHC.
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#960653 - 07/12/16 08:49 PM Re: Looks like the black folks are getting revenge.... [Re: BroodBuster]
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Originally Posted By: BroodBuster
If that were true hundreds of hunters would be shot by game cops every year. It is not the gun that provides the threat it is the perception of guns from an LE perspective that provides the threat.

I've never been perceived as a threat whether armed with a pistol or a long rifle when being pulled over. A couple of times I've even had LE check out my rifles to make sure they were unloaded. Once was with my '66 Centennial 30-30. The cop spent 30 minutes checking it out and talking hunting. But then again I'm white!

It is not a cops job to go home safely!!!! It is a cops job to serve and protect. As long as they are putting their lives in front of citizens lives then we are going to have bad shoots putting even more cops lives in danger and making their ability to do their job that much harder.

Could you imaging a soldier being trained that his or her life is more important than the mission? Our military would be worthless as a force and that seems to be the path LE is going down.

I must say events in Dallas may actually bring this issue forward in a positive way just by how the protesters, the cops (especially that Chief) and first responders have reacted.

Broke a universal joint in the middle of the night somewhere around Roseburg on I-5.
OSP trooper pulled over to check me out.
Before it was over we were both out of the rigs, dry firing my Dan Wesson .357 with the new trigger job.

True story.
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#960656 - 07/12/16 11:49 PM Re: Looks like the black folks are getting revenge.... [Re: Direct-Drive]
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Cool, Troopers are usually all bidness.
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#960684 - 07/13/16 11:22 AM Re: Looks like the black folks are getting revenge.... [Re: ]
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