Originally Posted By: Numbqua
Originally Posted By: darth baiter
Whoa there Numb, pretty harsh words without having a timeframe or location context for slabs generalization. For example, spill and flow ramping regimes have improved in Columbia River hydro system. Some areas have had habitat restoration projects (eg Nisqually estuary). We all reveal some level of our intelligence in our comments. One must be careful.


You’re missing the most obvious problem in this picture. Ocean productivity in general has tanked. The productivity of the Pacific Ocean is by far and without a doubt the most significant factor or variable when looking at the relationship of smolts recruiting into the adult/spawning population. This is what we have unfortunately been witnessing and probably will continue to in the future.

If ocean conditions continue to be unproductive for salmonids, then other attempts will not be successful in trying to rebuild our stocks.

There are all these complete Neanderthals on this forum that stress planting more fish to curb these recent dismal returns. Planting more will not fix the problem, it will just waste more energy and taxpayers money.

There is no guarantee that by “restoring” habitat (if even possible) equals a significant increase in escapement/harvest. It can take decades to restore habitat. The clock is ticking.....we don’t have decades in case you haven’t noticed.

By the way, how are the populations of salmonids doing on the Columbia/Snake? There have been lots of closed fisheries in the past two seasons.. Those increases in “spill” are important and very necessary but...if we we are to witness significant improvements the dams on the Columbia and Snake need to be removed. Anything less is a band aid solution.


For So. Puget Sound Steelhead, numbers can't even make out past the Straits! This is evidenced by acoustic transmitters planted in them. Something is getting them inside before they even get out to the ocean.
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