It was after the public comment period was over when Chair Carpenter asked Ron Warren about a state permit or I would of asked why not go for a state permit while continue doing what the state is doing in negotiating a fishery. In my opinion I got the feeling that Ron Warren did not want to upset the tribes by the state filing for their own permit. He was almost emotional over the state not trying to get their own permit in my opinion. It was recorded. You should watch it when it is posted. They said something about it being televised.