Originally Posted By: Todd
Fallacy: Since Todd attacks Republican corruption, he likes big government and turns a blind eye to Democratic corruption.

Ad hominem: Todd turns a blind eye to corruption and inefficiencies.


This is a strawman argument, another type of fallacy. Nobody is making the claims like the argument you mention. A non strawman version is something like this:

Since Todd supports college loan forgiveness Todd supports big government. AND the other one would be something like: Since the distribution of Todd's posts are overwhelmingly attacking Republicans and rarely or never Democrats or the government itself, Todd turns a blind eye to Democratic corruption or government corruption in general.

Both of these are pretty boring arguments and not the issue at hand, but I'll go ahead and debunk that.

Explained further:

You do want big government because having the government forgive student loans costs $1.9 trillion, paying for college for the currently enrolled students costs another $1.9 trillion, and each year another $500 billion for the new students enroll and that's if we assume that with "free" college no extra students will attend and that the price is not going to go up, which are both unrealistic expectations. So north of $4 trillion dollars in government spending IS by any reasonable definition big government. People who support college loan forgiveness by DEFINITION are supporting big government. Saying someone who supports big government supports big government is not an ad hominin attack. It's just a tautology like A is A. It would be like you saying I support small government and me responding why are you attacking me with an ad hominin.

Secondly look how many posts are you bitching about corrupt republicans vs corrupt democrats instead of just corrupt government. Well north of 80% of political posts of yours are bashing republicans as opposed to democrats or government in general, I was in fact unable to find one but possibly they exist. The distribution is so lopsided by any reasonable definition, you are turning a blind eye. On the other hand that doesn't mean you necessarily support their corruption, it's just that you either don't notice or pretend not to. Commenting on the Parteo distribution of your post is not an ad hominin attack. I would be like you saying I have a lot of long posts and me responding why are you attacking me with ad hominin's.

Aside from this you completely ignored the whole topic of this thread and any argument about college loan forgiveness. It's not about YOU, it's about college loan forgiveness. So if my argument about college loan forgiveness contain fallacies, point them out.

I just wish one day I can open your eyes to the fact that Democrats are just as much of a problem as Republicans, that nobody likes corrupt government and instead of reading Blue Frank all day, we get you making the same arguments against corrupt government instead of corrupt Republicans. I would love to see you hate the corrupt government as much as you hate Republicans because I hate corrupt government as much or more than you hate Republicans.

But all that is neither here nor there. Please answer the reasonable questions I asked about college loan forgiveness and make an post that supports your argument that doesn't contain logically fallacies. So far you haven't done either. So how many people do you think you have convinced to support college loan forgiveness, it's zero. The same zero you are willing to pay, the same zero of college forgiveness you are going to get for people. Zero, zero and zero.