To get up on my soapbox, I think the problem (at least one of the major ones) is nobody is will to explicitly say what they want, fish-wise. We use warm and fuzzy platitudes like "fishable numbers", "sustainable runs", and the like.

I believe that we know, in a general if not specific sense, what needs to be done. For example (ALL MADE UP), the Chehalis system needs X wild Chinook, Chum, and Coho spawners to produce the following quantified fisheries. Here, you list fishery and catch such as 200 Skookumchuck Springers in a Skookumchuck River sport fishery that runs from May 1 to July 31. That requires certain spawning and reading flows, water temperatures, clean gravels; all of which we know how to do. Just work all this out to the mouth of the Harbor. You need Q fish entering and we have the fishery. You need W habitat protections/zoning.

I believe that we don't want to quantify goals because it will require saying NO to somebody, whether it be open angler, BC Lodge, AK troller, Lewis County logger, or whatever.