My point is that habitat projects need to be documented to produce fish. Look at all the hoo-ha for removing Snake Rover dams and saving SRKWs, Fine, take out the dams but is 10 years there better be X more SRKWs. Otherwise, we will continually use "Save the warm and fuzzies" to justify projects, pay for the projects, and get nothing. I want to see lots more salmon, lots more SRKWs, and we aren't doing that because there is nobody holding the managers' feet top the fire to actually accomplish recovery.