Stlhd2o,

Appreciate the reply. I usually throw hardware with a 10.5 foot Lam Cert Pro spinning rod and 14# Fireline. Getting the lure down is no problem, I cast about straight across in most runs (depending on speed/depth), mend upstream as soon as the lure hits the water and don't engauge the reel until after counting down. My problem has been keeping the spoon down. I have found I can keep a spinner blade moving with less pull than it takes to keep a spoon wobbling. The added pull required to work the spoon brings the spoon toward the surface. Also, the 2/5 oz Mortac spoon that Zog raves about so much doesn't sink as fast as a #5 Mortac spinner. It seems to flutter side to side while sinking, where as the spinner just sinks. I have not tried the larger Mortac spoon because it's starting to get out of the ideal lure wt. for my rod and I was trying to stick to Zog's recommendation. I suppose I might be favoring faster water than him. Maybe next winter I'll order larger spoons.