"undisputable that this guy is a menace."

Half of America (or more)is already disputing whether or not he is menace...what IS undisputable is that Dubya will lead this nation into war in spite of what his consituency, the American people, think.

This conversation is really moot because of that....whether you appreciate the connotation or not, Chappy's reference to Goering's remarks at Nuremburg look to me like the words most worth consideration...consider whether or not we are 'protecting freedom' (which is threatened how?) or settling a score. To say that we are going into this conflict to 'protect freedom' is a bigger lie than Bubba's.....and one with far greater consequences.