I still don't see people answering the two questions.

1) Should hatchery fish be counted as wild fish if similar (by the way they don't have a good definition of what similar means and I asked the question at the meeting it is left up to them to decide)?

2) Should rainbows be counted in determining an ESA listing? (and they admit that it could be applied completely differently then it is now and they have no idea what contribution residents have on the anadromous populations. Again i asked at the meeting last night.

Gpa I agree that balance is a good thing and we do need to see both sides. I think too far one way is bad and too far the either is equally bad.

I have seen one example, summer chum on Hood Cannal, where they may have helped a wild run recover. Anything else? With the LONG history of hatcheries that seems like a poor track record to me. So with your Puget Sound example is it the fish that will go away or the fishing. To me it is a big difference and I have a feeling it would be the fishing that would go away which is a different issue the the fish going away. I will plead ignorance on a lot f the PS Chinook issues though. What hatcheries are ading in the recovery of the wild chinook?

JJ