The true believers I know were in the Army with me at Ft Lewis. They claim.. that they had one walk right into a night ambush position that they had set up in the So Ranier training area.. It was a big deal.. they caught crap for weeks over it. To a man they will say " STFU.. YOU WERE NOT THERE MAN.. and if you were.. You would believe it too. Its a long story but after awhile and you can't get even one of them to fess up that is B.S ( and these guys were not what you call real tight buddies.. 3 black guys, two white boy pot heads a kid from Guam and a Mormon guy from Utah. )