But Rich many of those Alaskan species that are spawning on top of each other are indeed managed under an MSY approach. Ever check out the Alaskan catch of sockeye or pink salmon.

Maybe the Alaskan managers are more effective at that MSY management or maybe the habitat supporting those waves of salmon is more intact than here in the lower 48. I do agree that for the most part the rivers we have here in the Washington do not look much like they way they did when "nature" made them.

One again I'll say that the largest failing of the so-called MSY management here in Washington with our salmon and steelhead stocks is two fold. First the managers failed to recognize and respond appropriate either the cyclic nature of the marine survivals or the declining productivity of the freshwater habitat. Secondily we as a society have opt to use much of the habitat that supported that sustained yield of salmonids for uses other than producing those salmonids or the fishing that productivity once supported.

However as pointed out several times in this discussion that may have little to do with the topic at hand.

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Curt